Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

[tinman]

@tinmanNow your thinking, the DWFTTW process appeared to the weak minded as a violation of physics because you cannot get more than what is already there. However their error was in the Energy accounting of an open system and a failure to understand what was there and available to use. You are correct and the rules which apply to closed systems do not always apply to open systems because obviously they are not the same thing.
If I put 1w of electric energy into a resistance heater I will always get 1w of heat out but if I put 1w of electrical energy into a heat pump I may get 5w of heat out. A resistance heater is a closed system and a heat pump is an open system...it's that simple. The critics are simply arguing that all systems must remain closed, they are arguing that the simple resistance heater is the only way of doing things which as we know is pure delusion. Why if they had their way we would have to install our wind turbines and solar panels inside closed boxes just to satisfy their twisted notion of reality.

AC

AC
Its time to put this bullsh-t about no system can put out more energy than it consumes to bed.
If you start a thread up about open systems supplying extra energy,then i will show the above mentioned system as a whole for all to see. I will show that both gravity and buoyancy(our open system) can indeed create that extra energy when coupled to a closed system-the electrolisis system mentioned above.

This would let this thread get back on topic

[MarkE]

I am assuming you are refering to the electrolisis unit?
If so,then i am fully aware that there is neither surplus nor deficit,and this is exactly what we want.
We have accounted for all the energy into the system,and ballance is maintained.

It is this ballance that gives rise to the extra energy from the second part of the system,which is an open system to that of the electrolisis system.

But thats as far as we will take this here,as it is way off topic to this thread,and i now have confirmation from both you and poynt that the system is ballanced,and all energy is accounted for

If measured properly, the books all balance.

[MarkE]

@tinmanNow your thinking, the DWFTTW process appeared to the weak minded as a violation of physics because you cannot get more than what is already there.

The common mistake made by most people was that the thrust could only be generated by relative wind to the vehicle body.

However their error was in the Energy accounting of an open system

That is completely untrue.  The only energy source for that vehicle is the wind.

and a failure to understand what was there and available to use. You are correct and the rules which apply to closed systems do not always apply to open systems because obviously they are not the same thing.
If I put 1w of electric energy into a resistance heater I will always get 1w of heat out but if I put 1w of electrical energy into a heat pump I may get 5w of heat out.

No if you put 1W of electrical power into a heat pump, depending on the conditions you may move several times as much heat as operating energy using an air thermal reservoir or 10X or more using a liquid thermal reservoir.

A resistance heater is a closed system and a heat pump is an open system...it's that simple.

Again you are wrong.  A heat pump moves energy from a lower temperature heat reservoir to a higher temperature one.  An undefined source reservoir could have a zero capacity to a very large heat content.  Undefined, there is nothing that can be said of the heat pump's ultimate capacity or COP.

The critics are simply arguing that all systems must remain closed, they are arguing that the simple resistance heater is the only way of doing things which as we know is pure delusion.

You conflate the requirement to define, and therefore bound a system in order to quantify its characteristics with the method of operation.  You are simply confused.

Why if they had their way we would have to install our wind turbines, heat pumps and solar panels inside dark closed boxes just to satisfy their twisted notion of reality.

No, in order to quantify the performance of any of those items we have to bound the respective energy source for each.

AC

[tinman]

If measured properly, the books all balance.

excellent.

[ramset]

And then there are those that feel a closed system is only "perspective"..