Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

[tinman]

And then there are those that feel a closed system is only "perspective"..

A closed system would be like this example-->a battery conected to an electric motor thats conected to a generator,thats conected back to the battery. The outcome is a negative result.

An example of an open system is--> a solar pannel conected to a motor thats conected to a generator thats conected to a battery. The outcome is positive.
The open system is a system that is conected to mother nature,and this is why the heat pump will output more energy than we had to put into it,as it uses the open system of nature to provide the extra energy.

[Floor]

@ all readers

    Is it a myth that magnets can do work cyclically
                                          or
     is it a myth that magnets can not do work cyclically ?

                Please find the attached  3 PDF files the new file  "Ramp 7.pdf", also (Mag ramp 1.pdf)
                and the file "resurrection.pdf " wihch I posted when I first asked this question under this topic.
                                       

[Floor]

I was not able to read the Ramp 7.pdf file I up loaded.  (tech problem)

So I am attaching it again.

       cheers
                  floor

                           

[Floor]

Note

The ramp must be held very firmly to a large mass, else the
consideable kick from the speres's launch will dampen the
sphere's movement.

[wattsup]

Now that things are back to normal maybe we can get into the crux of things. hehehe

Indeed wattsup.
The Atom is the creator-->Adam-Atom,so darn close.
As for the rest of your post,well some are set in there way's,and some refuse to take!were not sure but! as a definitive answer.

@tinman

Yep, our second son is named Adam. He just graduated from university as a Software Engineer and started working two weeks later.

Maybe this post will help you a bit to see the magnet in a different light. hehehe

@TK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q

Your post went totally unnoticed although this thread is supposed to treat issues of magnet, myths and misconceptions, a superconductive magnet would be on topic as well and very apropos.

So why do you think it is possible for a magnet to "superconduct"? Why should it super conduct when it is near frozen solid when logic would have us think the opposite should occur. Freezing slows things down hence it should have a negative impact of the magnetic performance, but we see that nature will always want to surprise us with great effects that divulge much more then what is seen on the surface.

So this, for me, just shows that even magnets are fighting against their own internal cancellation. You see, in our minds eye, most people may visualize that an atom is an atom, so all similar elemental atoms are identical copies of each other and we will think that this mass is composed of this perfect tapestry of 3D atomic get-togetherness and that every part of that mass will react in the same way. But in nature or man made devices, nothing is really perfect.

So the same applies to our magnets. You have perfect atoms and you have defective atoms. The perfect atoms are doing their job and have perfect liberty to do so. The imperfect atoms have a much harder time to perform since their physical imperfections render them weaker, slower and the majority of those weaker atoms will not be able to meet the perfect timing and thus they will work against the perfect atoms and all combined, you get this particular magnetic RMS performance that we see every day.

Neo magnets on the other hand are manufactured with a little more care in their elemental choices and the result is more magnetic action per mass but it will never equal that of a cheaper imperfectly made superconductive magnet. WHY?

Well, when the magnet gets frozen, what gets frozen are the weaker atoms that were causing all that internal cancellation inside the magnet and now that they are frozen, the perfect atoms can now work totally unhindered thus you now see the true maximum ability of that magnet. If that same mass of magnet was composed entirely of perfect atoms, you would not need to freeze it to liberate its full potential which would be multiple times stronger then a standard neo having the same mass. They would indeed become super duper magnets.

The superconductive analogy for this could be two guys, one is a very fit weightlifter and the other is this scrawny built guy and both are stuck in a meat freezer. While the scrawny guy is disoriented and shivering and complaining, the fit guy instinctively just starts doing push ups and by doing so can maintain a reasonable body heat. The scrawny guy then starts doing his own push ups but flops down after his 5th push-up, is rendered immobile and quickly freezes up. This leaves the fit guy alone, without any "distractions" to totally concentrate on surviving the ordeal.

We are slowly getting closer since we are now at the nano technology stage and already some materials are really incredible, but we still have a ways to go before we get to the hyper technology stage where we eventually will be able to create objects, atom by atom. Here is a start.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EogdalfXF4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSCX78-8-q0&index=1&list=PLB8KzsKt4e82elS9LsBKlXUxm4HEGkjUS

Now look at this one. Listen to the sound of an atom moving. The crunchy sound has so much power in just that one atom that is dragged on a surface. Imagine the sound they must make when their cores swing in tandem to a passing magnetic or pulsed influence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbLvy-ayi4A&index=3&list=PLB8KzsKt4e82elS9LsBKlXUxm4HEGkjUS

The above also applies to the notion of an ideal coil. There is no ideal coil because copper atoms have the same problem. If you could sift through a pile of copper atoms and pick only the perfect ones, then make your copper wire with those, you could then wind an ideal coil where the turns do not touch (to prevent cross cancellation). With perfect copper wire, you should be able to pass all the power of a car batter through a 16 AWG wire. Resistance would be zero since resistance winds up being the percentage of atoms that cancel out a known energy input.

The point I am trying to make is this. Magnets suffer from the same problem our copper wires suffer from and that is built-in internal cancellation. For the magnet, there is nothing really we can do to better this and for now we have to accept the magnetic forces available to us but at least a frozen magnet shows us that the true magnetic ability can be multiples of times higher then the original design usage if cancellation can be reduced. We already have started long ago by producing oriented steel cores and laminations (what @JackH played with when he was a live) so we actually do know that by orienting atoms, their internal swings will be more in tandem to one directionality thus being more responsive to the single directionality of a passing magnet or a pulsed primary coil. 

The second point is much more important for all of us since we work our copper coils manually. The magnet is telling us, "it's in my atomic make-up and my atomic make-up influences the copper atomic make-up", so if we keep treating our copper wire atoms as only being influenced by a passing magnetic "field", we will be stuck just as we are now, since we have 100 something years to prove it. We will not design our devices with direct pointal intent. We will always think the field permeates all and does the same thing to ever copper atom in the same direction of output influence and this field just homogenizes copper atoms to all react in the same way. That is a total fallacy that guys have to get out of their heads if they are to advance. Otherwise, why is gold wire a better conductor?

There is a very simple proof of this that we see guys experimenting with everyday. Pass just the south pole of a magnet beside the end of a coil with a core. The magnet approaches the coil, we see the scope rise from zero then fall to zero. The magnet departs from the coil, we see the scope fall from zero then rise to zero. Both scope directions in one passage by one polarity of the magnet. Think about that. The coil is wound in a circle of 360 degrees. The supposed field of the magnet cannot have two directions of impress since it is the same polarity at work on both sides of that one end of the coil. IT HAS TO BE THE COPPER ATOMS THAT ARE SWINGING IN ONLY ONE DIRECTION BUT THE 360 DEGREES OF THE COIL TURNS IT INTO TWO DISTINCT HALVES OF A SINEWAVE, SO ONE DIRECTION, ONE POLARITY CAUSES TWO SUCCESSIVE BUT OPPOSING OUTPUT POLARITIES ON A CIRCLE OF WIRE. YES THE COPPER ATOM CORES ARE ALL TURNING THE SAME WAY WHEN LOOKED FROM ABOVE, BUT FROM INSIDE THE WIRE, THE DIRECTIONS SWITCH. There is also a great deal of cancellation involved here as well while you see that sinewave.

Only if we change our perspective of what and how and why our copper atoms respond to magnetism, can our natural imagination kick into a new gear and new toys will abound from there. Once we realize the physical limitations of the copper materials we use today, we will learn to work around those problems and bingo, OU will start to be more of a normal thing then this all consuming impossibility we are trying to fight against every day. But in the interim there are many new ways to do experiments already and new things to learn.

Now imagine this and I know this is another long @wattups post with lots of blah blah, but this is the only way I know how to explain stuff from bench and logic works. Imagine your copper wire. It has perfect atoms and a varying degree of defective atoms. Some atoms respond perfectly to all the frequencies, some atoms, will respond to the resonance frequency showing the highest spikes on the scope but those atoms are much fewer in number hence your amperage drops and voltage rises. Some atoms are so defective that they only respond to a small range of frequencies. So basically, if one 14 awg wire was pulsed with several frequencies at once, 2,3, 4 or more, each time you add a pulse and the frequency arrives at a frequency that makes more copper atoms swing, your output will increase. Add another frequency and if you find the right one where the output increases further, you just struck another good frequency for a good number of those atoms. So you can have pulsing several frequencies into the same wire and if they are well tuned, you should be able to produce as much energy as the rated AWG of the wire.

When the law of conservation was written, so pompous an idea, they forgot to mention, "if man continues on the same road we are on now (which was then), he will never get OU". My personal way of saying it is, "if man does not smarten up and shed all this field/electron crap, they will never realize news ways of winding coils to circumvent the atomic constraints of our copper wire and take advantage of the pointal magnetic influence and therefore the laws will prevail".

wattsup