Gyroscopic Inertia Generator

[TinselKoala]

I put a flowmeter on my garden hose. I spray water into the back yard while watching the flowmeter. Someone comes along with a bucket and catches some of the water in the bucket. Does my flowmeter reading change when this happens? No, it doesn't !! EUREKA! I have discovered the reason that your RPM doesn't change and your input power doesn't go up when you connect a load.

Did you just not bother to watch my demonstration of _the very same thing_ using the MHOP , which might in a pinch have 20 dollars worth of components in it? I show the MHOP running, with input power measurements, lighting up its NE-2, self-charging one of its own batteries. Then I connect the little ring oscillator and show that there is _no_ change in RPM and that the input power goes _down_ after a small initial surge while the oscillator is connected. Did you miss that? This is the same phenomenon that gets people interested in the Quanta system, isn't it?

Good luck. Many people are envious of you, having so much money to spend on your project.

Here's a challenge for you. Buy two new, identical batteries of the type that is supposed to work the best with any Quanta or Bedini charging system. Say, SLAs of 12 volts nominal, 5 to 10 A-H capacity. Mark them so you don't mix them up. One will be only charged using a commercial automatic automotive battery charger, the other will only be charged using the Bedini or Quanta system.  Set up a couple of nice equal resistive loads, like a bank of car brake light bulbs. Monitor the terminal voltage of the batteries while you charge and discharge them. Discharge them using the load banks, down to the same terminal voltage. Then charge them up, to the same terminal voltage, using the two systems. Do this five times. Then do a comparative rundown test. That is, set up both batteries, which have been charged by the systems to the same terminal voltage, connect them to their load banks, and watch to see which one runs down first. This last part can be easily done with timelapse video or still photography. Report your results, and discuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BK4rx01INY

[Scorch]

Not sure if the analogy of a hose and bucket is very applicable.
My flow meter would be the ammeter monitoring the flow from the hose powering the motor which turns two generators in a stable state.
One is a disk style generator that, when loaded, causes an unstable state, increase in flow (amperes) to the motor, and a subsequent drop in RPM or even more flow (amperes) required to bring RPM back up into the previous stable state.

This is a typical Lenz effect observed in any conventional generator.
Apply a load and motor/generator slows down and demands more fuel to maintain RPM.

The second is a toroidal generator that, when loaded to 300ma., does not demand much more flow (amperes) from the hose.
Flow meter remains at nearly same readings and only small drop in RPM and system continues in stable state condition while flow-amp meter only shows a 10-15ma. increase in amps-flow from the hose.... while output hose is now putting out an additional flow out.  Not sure where to place the bucket. The flow out is powering the load so can't put the bucket there. . . The only place that makes any sense is that the bucket represents the reserve energy in the capacitor bank but this is irrelevant because we are already monitoring that flow from that hose which continues, at various rates, as long as there is a reserve of water-energy from a capacitor, solar panel, battery or mains power supply.

And this seems to become very tedious when attempting to apply such a simple analogy to a multifaceted design such as this. 
Oh, and almost forgot, in the case of the Q3; there is actually a third charging output which is the BEMF from the motor section.
This also has very little effect on the flow from the hose or motor RPM when connected to a load such as charging a battery bank.

Would it be acceptable if I merely do what I intend to do, concentrate on replicating the current experiments with these Quanta Magnetics test beds, and not spend a lot of time doing all these other things you suggest including reviewing videos of other projects not using these QM test beds? These other projects are interesting but I am working with an entirely different platform here.
Those other experiments, in other conditions, on other platforms, may not be very useful in consideration of attempting to merely replicate the experiments that were performed with this platform.

Kindest regards;

PS: The money spent is merely that thing called "discretionary funds" . Nothing to be 'envious' of.
Merely the kind of money people save to buy their toys, video games, musical instruments, guns, model aircraft and trains, golf clubs, hang gliders, boats, vacations and etcetera.

So I bought an experimental kit instead of a fur suit or professional organ, DJ equipment, or video camera like some of my friends might buy for this year's Halloween parties.
What can I say? Except that I do have some cool, weird, Sci-Fi appearing and operating equipment to bring to parties... *shrugs*
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I put a flowmeter on my garden hose. I spray water into the back yard while watching the flowmeter. Someone comes along with a bucket and catches some of the water in the bucket. Does my flowmeter reading change when this happens? No, it doesn't !! EUREKA! I have discovered the reason that your RPM doesn't change and your input power doesn't go up when you connect a load.

Did you just not bother to watch my demonstration of _the very same thing_ using the MHOP , which might in a pinch have 20 dollars worth of components in it? I show the MHOP running, with input power measurements, lighting up its NE-2, self-charging one of its own batteries. Then I connect the little ring oscillator and show that there is _no_ change in RPM and that the input power goes _down_ after a small initial surge while the oscillator is connected. Did you miss that? This is the same phenomenon that gets people interested in the Quanta system, isn't it?

Good luck. Many people are envious of you, having so much money to spend on your project.

Here's a challenge for you. Buy two new, identical batteries of the type that is supposed to work the best with any Quanta or Bedini charging system. Say, SLAs of 12 volts nominal, 5 to 10 A-H capacity. Mark them so you don't mix them up. One will be only charged using a commercial automatic automotive battery charger, the other will only be charged using the Bedini or Quanta system.  Set up a couple of nice equal resistive loads, like a bank of car brake light bulbs. Monitor the terminal voltage of the batteries while you charge and discharge them. Discharge them using the load banks, down to the same terminal voltage. Then charge them up, to the same terminal voltage, using the two systems. Do this five times. Then do a comparative rundown test. That is, set up both batteries, which have been charged by the systems to the same terminal voltage, connect them to their load banks, and watch to see which one runs down first. This last part can be easily done with timelapse video or still photography. Report your results, and discuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BK4rx01INY

[MileHigh]

Scorch:

I am in the position of personal, hands on, experiential knowledge that I was able to connect a 300ma. load (light bulb) to the output of the toroidal generator and the over-all RPM of my system changed very little, if any, and system current draw changed very little and certainly not anywhere near the 300ma load that I connected...

You are going to have to do a lot better than that if you want to be serious.  You connected a load to your generator and the RPM changed, just like any other similar setup would do the same thing.  Without actual measurements and analysis your comments mean nothing.

I looked at the Quanta Magnetics clip link you provided and it's the same thing.  He is demonstrating nothing out of the ordinary and trying to pretend it is out of the ordinary.  I stated that he is clueless about electronics and about 30 seconds after your link starts he says that he is going to connect "the ultimate resistive load" to his generator and he connects a dead short.  We just had that discussion.  I told you that his clips are "painful" to watch and that's a typical example.

You may find this effect to be very interesting and can probably be accomplished DIY with a smaller toroidal generator in your own lab.

There is no "effect" whatsoever.  You are leading yourself down a garden path and part of your problem is thinking that Mike Kantz knows what he is talking about when nothing could be further from the truth.

And, of course, when driven by a large, 12", disk rotor of a pulse motor, this provides for pretty substantial mechanical advantage (leverage) between the 12" diameter of the disk and the much smaller 2.25" diameter of the toroidal rotor.

And of course NOT.  Mechanical advantage does not even apply in this case.  You use the same argument in an attempt to defend Mike Kantz' ridiculous comment alleging that his machine is a free energy machine and I will discuss that issue when I address those comments.

This mechanical advantage appears to be a pretty major advantage so that pulsed motor current draw only changes a few milliamperes even though generator load increased by over 300ma.
The tiny generator just isn't much of a load for the big motor which could obviously drive a much larger toroidal generator. Or a pair of toroidal generators like the Quanta Magnetics T2 device uses.

I know that I just stated that I will address this issue elsewhere but you are digging yourself into a hole when you make statements like this.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

I am also going to address the issue that TK raised to complete the picture and relate them to your follow-up comments:

The second is a toroidal generator that, when loaded to 300ma., does not demand much more flow (amperes) from the hose.
Flow meter remains at nearly same readings and only small drop in RPM and system continues in stable state condition while flow-amp meter only shows a 10-15ma. increase in amps-flow from the hose.... while output hose is now putting out an additional flow out.  Not sure where to place the bucket. The flow out is powering the load so can't put the bucket there. . . The only place that makes any sense is that the bucket represents the reserve energy in the capacitor bank but this is irrelevant because we are already monitoring that flow from that hose which continues, at various rates, as long as there is a reserve of water-energy from a capacitor, solar panel, battery or mains power supply.

The issue is accounting for where ALL of the energy is flowing in a system.  A typical statement might be, "I just put a load on my device and the current draw of the device went down so something special must be happening."

That is a a classic newbie error and you see it all the time.  The problem arises because people fail to account for all of the power flows in the system.  In the Quanta Magnetics devices there is a huge power flow from the power source into waste heat.

Supposing your device is connected to a battery and spinning under no load.  Then you connect your load and the power consumption drops.  If that a eureka moment or is it meaningless?  The answer is that it is meaningless:

No load case:

Power input:  10 watts
Power output:  0 watts
Waste heat generation:  10 watts
Efficiency:  0%

Case with load:

Power input:  8 watts
Power output:  1 watt
Waste heat generation:  7 watts.
Efficiency: 12.5%

As you can see, nothing special is going on.  When you start discussing these "input power drop under load" examples, you MUST measure and factor in the power that is being poured down the drain - the waste heat power.

Oh, and almost forgot, in the case of the Q3; there is actually a third charging output which is the BEMF from the motor section.
This also has very little effect on the flow from the hose or motor RPM when connected to a load such as charging a battery bank.

If you use the BEMF from your pulse motor, by definition it is not supposed to affect your RPM.  This is the same for any pulse motor.

Finally, you should never just quote current flow without also quoting the voltage associated with that current flow.  I am not being picky here, it is absolutely necessary.

MileHigh

[Scorch]

Hello everybody. 

I just want to get this out of the way before I proceed with this new experiment.
I created this subject for the specific purposes of replicating the G1 experiments but I am not actually new to these Quanta Magnetics systems.
I've already built the Q2, which I subsequently converted to a Q3, and just want to provide a some images of that old project detailing some improvements I installed.

The original Q3 did not come with any measuring devices, as the G1 does, so I did install analog volt and amp meters on the control panel.
Nor did it have a power switch so I installed a toggle switch.
I also eliminated the extra outputs from the cap bank originally used for the Q2 sine wave peak switching and also installed an insulator over the exposed tops of the capacitors.
I also replaced the fixed resistors, that control pulse width for both the motor and generator, with a couple potentiometers.
Plus I did add a DC-DC converter in order to boost the lower voltage of the toroidal generator up to a more useful level for charging batteries and here are some the images from that old experiment.

At this point, and with that out of the way, I will begin assembly of the new G1 experimental platform and hope to accomplish at least one or two steps today.
Positive support is certainly appreciated as I proceed to fabricate this experiment in the spirit of this forum designed for the exploration of these systems.

Non constructive negativity, that is contrary to the spirit of this OU forum such as comments to the extent of: "this is impossible therefore don't even try.", shall be treated accordingly or completely ignored.
And any claim without verifiable proof of claim, beyond mere opinion or "he said; she said" hearsay, shall be considered as mere frivolous claims (trolling/spam).

Kindest regards;

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