Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter

[plengo]

I would like to determine what the black formation over the mag strip is in my corrosion experiment with borax. Do you think that is black oxide? It turns gray when dried and shows ZERO connectivity when testing with a 1K ohm tester. It took less than a day to form on the mag strip. I wonder if a quick wash with a borax/water solution on the copper and mag strips would accomplish the same thing... I don't want to expend too much energy on a small cell, which would make these cells nonviable.

A little charging at low amperage to form the crystals makes sense, but the amount of energy necessary to form that black oxide layer on the copper makes it nonviable in my opinion. Also, that process results in a variable outcome and could only be replicated consistently and efficiently in a lab with 10's of thousands of dollars worth of equipment... or much more...

I have checked into the cost of owning and operating machines to make transistors and capacitors... it would cost close to a million dollars to buy and house either (not both), plus there would be costs associated with materials and labor... this is not for me... it's not good to create a process that is not easily replicatable, even at the cost of output. If someone can create a battery and circuit for a nightlight that runs for a month or more (for instance) for less than $1 and rebuild the battery for a few cents, or water just the battery, then that would be, in my opinion, a viable nightlight project for people (like me) that like to make their own toys! lol

So, I will push toward this goal. I don't mind passing a little voltage through the battery, but you saw the 47 minute mess I made with the soup mix (#344)... that's not going to work for me... maybe a short charge or a simple coating of chemicals to get the same effect.

NOTE: you can buy black oxide online and maybe just mixing it with some borax and a quick rinse on the copper would accomplish the same thing. If this works, we have no use of energy to get the same effect. Have you tried this? I would rather limit my viability calculations to just cost of materials instead of adding energy usage and joule math into the calculations... if possible.

great info Teo that you are providing.


I agree with you on the cost of THIS cell so far which is not profitable. That's why this is still in early infancy of research. I only envision this process now as a learning process so LATER we will make easier and cheaper. Just like the first hard-drive when it was invented, the size of a brick wall.


I don't use that much of energy like you did in your 344 cell. You used TOO MUCH material for it. In my case it only takes about 1 minute or less using the Mg strips. Really quick and the total of the chemicals is only 6 tsp of Epson (for example) to form about 50 cells. That IS CHEAP.


That mush cell is not what I want, too much material, too long and no space for the crystal to grow let alone to breath. That's why I am asking to create another one with the towel paper around the Mg and one continuous peace coming out of the mix so that you can "activate" the cell later, after it totally dried, with Epson solution from outside and slowly the solution will penetrate the cell which is inside the solid mix.


I am in total sync with the idea of using "already formed" chemicals for the cell and that's what I meant by "nano scale", directly to the formed chemical which can be deposed over the metals at a much faster and cheaper process without needing any complicated and expensive machines. Small labs would easily do it.


My FC62 process was an experiment in forming those oxide layer at a very simple process and replicable by anyone. Bedini for example uses the torch to form the Cu oxide (cupric), I don't like that process much, besides that only forms ONE oxide, mine forms 2. Two rabbits for one swing.


Please, really try the geometry I am proposing. The cells you are creating with solid mixes (just like IBpointless) is cool for testing a few things but FAR from what the crystal cell is really about. It is about the CRYSTAL growing not chemical reactions. Those big mesh of solid mix will not work at all.


BTW, on the video of MnO2 with H2O2 you see the by product of O2, now imagine if this is the OUTPUT or by product of this cell!!! Makes you think a little bit.


Fausto.

[tgraca]

That mush cell is not what I want, too much material, and no space for the crystal to grow let alone to breath.

Today: 985 mV under load... if you remember, this is the one I created 6 days ago with a lot of air left inside. It seems to be doing well.

[tgraca]

970 mV under load today. I may have not let it recover after the short mA test....

This one was showing 887 mV, but when I moved it, it lost the cathode connection - the copper wrapped around the mag strips... so I opened up the end and tied it up better. It's showing 1088 mV now... I turned it upside down to see if any of the liquid electrolyte dripped out, and there was none. I am guessing it's dries up and crystallized now. I'll leave the end open to the air and see what happens.

[tgraca]

BTW, on the video of MnO2 with H2O2 you see the by product of O2, now imagine if this is the OUTPUT or by product of this cell!!! Makes you think a little bit.

I just tried some easy-to-get 3% H2O2, so copper wire, then added about 1/4 tsp of MnO2... there were some bubbles and just a little bit of warmth. The result is that the copper looks really shiny now, so I am guessing it just cleaned it. I threw some activated carbon in... nothing... added some Epsom salt, a small piece of mag strip and more MnO2... more bubbles...  after 10 minutes, no real changes to the mag strip or copper.

[plengo]

I just tried some easy-to-get 3% H2O2, so copper wire, then added about 1/4 tsp of MnO2... there were some bubbles and just a little bit of warmth. The result is that the copper looks really shiny now, so I am guessing it just cleaned it. I threw some activated carbon in... nothing... added some Epsom salt, a small piece of mag strip and more MnO2... more bubbles...  after 10 minutes, no real changes to the mag strip or copper.

I did the same and same results. FC62 really creates something unique that just the chemical reactions did not. Figures.


Fausto.