GDS 3 KW generator runs on water

[ramset]

@All
Had a nice Chat with Mr.Potter, and  yes the date for testing is moving to a more realistic schedule for him.
I am in no rush whatsoever ,and actually am making connections with fellows who live _Very_ close to the test area and are willing to assist.
It has always been my dream here that this community would step up and Muster people to do these types of investigations,
In the absence of that, some of us have mustered a "crew" which can be Tapped for these types of  claims ..
is that fair??
no

But I must say I am very pleased with the Others that have stepped in to offer sincere help.

And here I must add something.
something about the direction this needs to go [and its very good because now I see it happening]

but I'm busy ATM and will post later today

thx
Chet

[MarkE]

@All
Had a nice Chat with Mr.Potter, and  yes the date for testing is moving to a more realistic schedule for him.
I am in no rush whatsoever ,and actually am making connections with fellows who live _Very_ close to the test area and are willing to assist.
It has always been my dream here that this community would step up and Muster people to do these types of investigations,
In the absence of that, some of us have mustered a "crew" which can be Tapped for these types of  claims ..
is that fair??
no

But I must say I am very pleased with the Others that have stepped in to offer sincere help.

And here I must add something.
something about the direction this needs to go [and its very good because now I see it happening]

but I'm busy ATM and will post later today

thx
Chet

I have not seen any discussion of a meaningful test protocol.  As long as we are going to pretend that GDS is going to eventually allow an independent test to take place, we might as well discuss what kind of test procedure would be needed to discern between Wet Fire 2.0 and Yet Another Magnacoaster.

My recommended guidelines are such:

The independent tester supplies all test equipment and loads. 
The independent tester performs calibration checks of their equipment and loads before and after the test(s).
Recommended load is simple household heaters, 1500W typical.
The load will be at least 50% but no more than 100% of the device under test rating.
AC RMS voltage applied to the resistive power load will be monitored throughout the test.  Optionally current may be monitored and/or a power analyzer may be used.
If inspection of the unit is allowed immediately before the test, then the make and model of the batteries inside will be recorded.  A successful test will demonstrate output energy greater than a minimum of five times the total energy capacity of the batteries.
If inspection of the unit is not allowed, then a successful test must demonstrate at least five times energy out as could be provided by filling the device volume with the highest density available Lithium batteries.
GDS will present the unit to the independent tester.  From that point until the end of the test no one but the independent tester will be allowed within 10 feet of the unit.
The independent tester will move the unit within the test facility by up to 100 feet from the location GDS presents the unit.
The independent tester will connect their supplied voltage / current / power monitoring equipment and load(s) to the unit under test.
The independent tester will start the unit according to instructions provided by GDS.
The test will begin when the unit has operated connected to the test load for at least five minutes where the average power over the five minute interval is within +/-10% of the power delivered over any one minute average during that five minute interval.  If the unit fails to stabilize to this criteria within 15 minutes of start, the test is declared a failure.
The test will run until the earlier of:  successful output energy criteria is satisfied, or the AC RMS voltage to the heaters averaged for one minute drops by 15% or more versus the AC RMS average obtained when the unit stabilized and the test began.
Preferred: The procedures beginning with locating the unit to test end are videotaped without interruption.

[Nink]

Happy to be part of a test team all I need 24 hours notice. When is the test

[ramset]

thats the easy part
There are probably several centuries of collective experience in the present test team Pool ,and enuff degrees
to boot..


telling "Them" what to do is not the problem ...


its quite another problem we have here ..
and we need to come to an agreement.


sorry but I had some surgery today and I'm shot


Tomorrow then.....

[MarkE]

thats the easy part
There are probably several centuries of collective experience in the present test team Pool ,and enuff degrees
to boot..


telling "Them" what to do is not the problem ...


its quite another problem we have here ..
and we need to come to an agreement.


sorry but I had some surgery today and I'm shot


Tomorrow then.....

Chet, there is often a valid complaint that some defend the status quo based on appeals to authority.  That cuts all ways.  The protocol should both be transparent and stand on its own.  It doesn't have to be my suggestion.  It does need to be rigorous or there isn't much point.  When you are feeling more recovered from your procedure please state where the proposed protocol is published.