The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[Cadman]

Cadman, could you put some leaders on your cad model explaining the parts.
It's hard to tell the coil directions and some other parts.

Thanks

Look here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19851-topic-new-generator-no-effect-counter-b-emf-part-2-selfrunning-5.html#post268293

[NoBull]

It is all good and nice classic model when you have single input power source and single closed loop circuit.
When it comes to two input power sources which are not directly related to each other then this model does not apply anymore.

Those laws are just elementary building blocks for induction problems.  Electromagnetic induction is the production of an electromotive force across a conductor and electric current when it is exposed to a varying magnetic field.

That chart does not encompass the various phenomena involving ferromagnetic materials.  It concerns only the phenomena happening in air coil induction.  It disregards the source of varying magnetic flux, motions and forces acting on those sources.  It just assumes the varying flux as given and provides answers how a coil responds to that.

I posted this chart to illustrate that the Lenz's law is just a qualitative law which merely defines the direction of the induction and the other laws do not help to define the magnitude of the induced current - especially in ideal coils.

Like from my concept you can compare that case to vacuum triode: The main closed circuit is magnetic flux from magnet inducing current in coil and the weak  force regulating magnetic flux resistance in its path is the external kinetic energy switching that flux
over moving iron core. The small change of kinetic movement causes great change in magnetic flux... In this case you get secondary reaction delivering power where primary action is doing same function as catalyst in chemical reaction.

Yes, any system involving a ferromagnetic component (a permanent magnet or ferrite or soft iron, etc...) is way too complicated to be defined solely by these simple simple induction laws, Alas!, books have been written about the BH curve alone.

However, the response of an air coil to the final flux picture - is always the same and easily describable by these induction laws.


P.S.
"Magnetic flux resistance" = Reluctance.

[MileHigh]

NoBull:

Yes, any system involving a ferromagnetic component (a permanent magnet or ferrite or soft iron, etc...) is way too complicated to be defined solely by these simple simple induction laws, Alas!, books have been written about the BH curve alone.

This is not the case.  Yourself, and others in this thread, seem to be alluding to various kinds of "fringe" angles to various things when there really aren't any.  Ferromagnetic materials consist of nothing more than a bunch of little magnets that obey the same laws and act in exactly the same way as big magnets.  That's the beauty of it.

MileHigh

[T-1000]

However, the response of an air coil to the final flux picture - is always the same and easily describable by these induction laws.

If you take away the fact the second power source is managing the flux change then it is close. In full picture it is not quite same... The moving iron core between coil and magnet makes it different.
The best option here is just to make experiment then do all measurements you want before making any conclusions and assumptions...

[thngr]

I am working on this concept because I have all the parts laying around.
Then I will do some tests to determine how well lenz forces in the coil can affect the rotor and if there is any advantage to flux switching.

there is no way to generate in this consept; may be volts but not amperes! you must find a core at least four poles. But do it who knows if we will learn some thing.