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The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

Started by syairchairun, November 09, 2014, 09:05:00 AM

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lumen

Quote from: ekimtoor1 on December 19, 2014, 08:36:40 PM
Speaking of fancy generator designs:  http://magnomatics.com/HomePageVideo.aspx

This device seems similar in some ways to the ones being discussed, rotating iron and all...

Is it?

Interesting design! Lots to think about there.

MileHigh

Quote from: lumen on December 19, 2014, 08:13:29 PM

MileHigh,
Yes all that double talk is just too much to be anything but impressive sounding.

I will assume that you are being sarcastic.  You have a physical 3D CAD model of your proposed design.  Is that were it stops?  Do you intend to physically build it?

I will just repeat what I stated previously because you have a small group of enthusiasts on this thread that shares your interests.  If you believe in your design then make a series of diagrams showing the flux flows at various stages of rotation of the rotor.  And more importantly make a timing diagram that also shows how it is actually supposed to work.  Motor/generators are designed on paper and analyzed on paper all the time.  I suppose that you are arguing that this design will generate changing flux so the coil can drive a load while at the same time there is no Lenz drag on the rotation of the rotor.  In other words, you believe that you have a "workaround" that somehow "cheats" how a standard generator works.  The way for you to start proving that to yourself and your peers is to make a comprehensive timing diagram that shows how it allegedly works.

MileHigh

MileHigh

Also, I just want to mention that your rotor is kind of a "flux redirector" somewhat similar to the QEG.  We have all seen the QEG demos where when the QEG hits resonance you notice big changes in the sound before vs. after resonance.  After resonance you can hear a lot of new sounds emanating from the QEG itself and the electric drive motor.  The sounds that you hear are the electric drive motor and the QEG responding to the Lenz drag stresses due to the fact that the electric motor/QEG is now driving a light bulb load.

Generating a proper comprehensive timing diagram for your design is the key to understanding if it should work or not.  Since you have a physical 3D model, this is all doable.  Then if you actually build the thing you can check if your timing diagram corresponds to what you see on the bench when the device is under test.

lumen

Quote from: MileHigh on December 20, 2014, 04:38:37 AM
I will assume that you are being sarcastic.  You have a physical 3D CAD model of your proposed design.  Is that were it stops?  Do you intend to physically build it?

I will just repeat what I stated previously because you have a small group of enthusiasts on this thread that shares your interests.  If you believe in your design then make a series of diagrams showing the flux flows at various stages of rotation of the rotor.  And more importantly make a timing diagram that also shows how it is actually supposed to work.  Motor/generators are designed on paper and analyzed on paper all the time.  I suppose that you are arguing that this design will generate changing flux so the coil can drive a load while at the same time there is no Lenz drag on the rotation of the rotor.  In other words, you believe that you have a "workaround" that somehow "cheats" how a standard generator works.  The way for you to start proving that to yourself and your peers is to make a comprehensive timing diagram that shows how it allegedly works.

MileHigh

I was not being sarcastic, I was agreeing with you about the "tubechop" generator.
It seems the video is simply trying to baffle with bull ####.

As for my design, I believe the idea of working on the opposite side of Lenz is the basis for a working OU generator.
Whether this design or any design can achieve that is speculation and based on 200 years of people building generators, it would seem someone would have come up with the same idea. (maybe they have!)

It's a simple build and should only take a day after adding the frame and other missing components.
A simulation would be fairly easy and could possibly show some useful information on flux retention in the core before a build.
So I may do a simulation even if it wastes some build time.

We both know that Syair's generator could not function as shown with Lenz working against it. This leaves only two options.
1: It doesn't work as portrayed.
2: It doesn't work against Lenz as a typical generator.

Time will tell which is true.



MileHigh

Okay thanks for your comments and I look forward to seeing what transpires.