The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[lumen]

The field simulations show some very strong flux and now I'm thinking possibly not to rotate the entire stator.
In the first pic you can see the stator shorting the field as it should to maintain the flux within the core.
The second and third show the stator at 10 and then 20 degrees. The flux is very high in the stator indicating what has moved through the coil at some point.
The last pic shows the stator at 90 degrees and you can see some flux and this could cause some Lenz to work against the stator as it rotates from this position, though is probably small.

I may try to find a way to keep the stator stationary and rotate a small segment at each end of the stator instead. This would eliminate any Lenz affecting the stator as it no longer would move around the coil.

[gotoluc]

The field simulations show some very strong flux and now I'm thinking possibly not to rotate the entire stator.
In the first pic you can see the stator shorting the field as it should to maintain the flux within the core.
The second and third show the stator at 10 and then 20 degrees. The flux is very high in the stator indicating what has moved through the coil at some point.
The last pic shows the stator at 90 degrees and you can see some flux and this could cause some Lenz to work against the stator as it rotates from this position, though is probably small.

I may try to find a way to keep the stator stationary and rotate a small segment at each end of the stator instead. This would eliminate any Lenz affecting the stator as it no longer would move around the coil.

Thanks for this flux simulation study lumen

Just so you know, yesterday I ordered a large microwave oven transformer to take apart to use the core laminations to build and test your design idea.
It may arrive on Monday or Tuesday at the latest.
I have some N50 Neo's size 1' x 2" x 1/2" which I can also be cut to a smaller size if needed.
I was planing on using the E of the MOT core and cut out the center leg to make a C (rotor) and use parts of the I to sandwich between the Neo magnet.
I have 18 AWG wire to make the coil

Let me know if there is anything you would like to recommend

Thanks

Luc

[lumen]

I did some simulations by rotating only small iron segments and the results are interesting.
The design is somewhat close to Syair's in operation but inverted. Makes you wonder doesn't it.

A and C would have near zero flux while B would be very high.
You can see in D that the flux starts to drop off fast from max in a very short rotation.
Lenz would appear to be virtually eliminated since the segments carry the flux for a short distance in an area where Lenz would have little impact on it.

[Jimboot]

That's really helpful, thanks Lumen.

[MileHigh]

To All:

Hopefully the attached graphic will be even more helpful.   The attached graphic is a distillation of the design down to its bare essence.

Moving the iron back and forth in the air gap with no load on the generator coil will be energy-neutral.  It will modulate the amount of flux that flows though the magnet and you will be able to measure an EMF output from the coil.  However, you can clearly see that there will be cogging. 

If you attach a load to the generator coil, then there will be Lenz drag.  It should be obvious to all of you why that is the case.

Like I said before, all of these attempts in search of a "magic workaround" can and should be analyzed on paper first.  There is no point in spending 20 hours building something if you can make a rational analysis of how it works on paper.

As far as the real design goes, you can see that it will also have a lot of cogging as the rotor rotates.  Even though cogging is in theory energy-neutral, we know that it puts stresses on the bearings and the overall build and ultimately causes friction.  Therefore, it will be really hard to distinguish the cogging from the Lenz drag for a typical experimenter.  That difficulty could result in somebody convinced that they have something when in fact they don't.  It could create a thread that lasts two years where people spin their wheels and get absolutely nowhere.

Now, to the regulars in this thread: Do you see and understand what I am saying between the attached diagram and my description above?

MileHigh