The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[lumen]

MileHigh:
To me Lenz always resists the change in flux in a coil under load. If all the flux in a magnet were contained inside a coil under load, then you released the flux and allowed it to expand through the coil, do you think that Lenz would not resist the change just because it came from inside the coil?
Of course it would resist the change, but it would only be fighting the magnet trying to propagate it's field.
Like I said, you might think it's the same thing only because it may not be possible to build a device that would perform the correct action.
Impossible as it might appear, the theory makes total sense.
It's not actually the change in flux intensity that generates current in a coil. It only appears to be related to the intensity in a coils core because that is a measure of the flux that had to cross the coils conductors and is now in the core.
Like I said, flux is a loop and to get into a coils core it must cut through the coils windings to enter the core and this generates the current in the coil.
That's why it just might be possible to put Lenz on the other side of the operation in a device that preforms flux switching.
Many have claimed it possible and the fact that there is no confirmed working device does not mean it's impossible.

Besides, I just found a huge local supply of surplus reclaimed silicon steel for projects like this.
It's .013" thick non-orientated from a 54 foot diameter generator.

[epwpixieq-1]

@MileHigh

You have probably heard that water is an excellent analogy for electricity.  The water pressure is the voltage.  The water flow is the current.  A water resistor is just a long thin hose, there is friction between the moving water and the walls of the hose.  A water capacitor is just a big tank of water.  A water coil is just a big coil of hose.

an abstract from your post here:
http://overunity.com/15289/delayed-lenz-or-not-post-your-explaination/msg428647/#msg428647

You are not in a position to comment on the technical capabilities of anybody.  Educate yourself, and that will change.

and from your post here:
http://overunity.com/15289/delayed-lenz-or-not-post-your-explaination/msg428664/#msg428664

As you seem to be very urgent to give "educated" advance to other people, it would be nice, if you advance in your education also.
There something called "Electrical Papers" (2 toms, about 1500 pages, freely available online in .pdf format) by a little known author ( I hope you may know it ) named Oliver Heaviside. And although not widely known, it could be said that 90% of our understanding of Maxwell is due to this self-thought physicist and mathematician. Actually the known Maxwell equations are really Maxwell-Heaviside equations as Heaviside is the one to enhance and translate most of the Maxwell's, at that time, poorly understood work (although that it was available for about 40 years already), in the currently widely accepted fundamental state known as "Classical Electrodynamics" developed in vector format.
If you go and read his "Electrical Papers", as I highly recommend, if only, for your educational purpose, you will be surprised to find out, that he devotes several pages in explaining how it is WRONG to associate one of the observable electrical phenomena named "flow of electricity in a conductor" with the flow of water. He is also quite notorious, notably arguing about stupidity, and he basically says, that this is one simplistic analogy "an uneducated person can make".
So to put this very simple, association of the electrical phenomena ON and through a conductor ( named "destructor" by Heaviside, see many things are not as they are thought to be) with a flow of water, is highly misleading, unless of course one starts to think that the electrical phenomena materializes mostly ("flows") outside of the water pipe than inside of it, which would be true analogy. But of course, this turns many thing upside down, although the order does not change, as all physical things will continue working as they do not caring much of our understanding about them, and one has to have quite a vivid imagination in order even to start consider this idea.

For your convenience here are links to the noted fundamental work that everyone should read, for it gives quite a different perspective and clear one's understanding over very fundamental concepts being wrongly settled/rooted and understood at the "educational" institutions and subsequently in the, supposedly, educated people, throughout the history and today:

https://archive.org/details/electricalpapers01heavuoft
https://archive.org/details/electricalpapers02heavrich

[i_ron]

Hi Lumen,

you're making me think and interestingly I stumbled upon this video today and was wondering if this would qualify as a Lenz work around design?

I chopped the original video to get to the final design.

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/4385356

Please let me know what you think

Luc

I think this is Jim Murray's patent 4,780,632


Ron

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[MileHigh]

Epwpix:

Your logic is flawed.  I stated that water is a good analogy for electricity.  If you search you will probably find thousands or tens of thousands of references stating that.  Yes, you will find a 19th century Oliver Heaviside reference where he says it's not the case.

So, how do you yourself analyze this situation?   You have thousands or tens of thousands of references that agree with me.  You have perhaps just a few that disagree with me.  What do you do in a case like this?

Water can model electricity perfectly when you look at the energy dynamics.  That is the context for this statement.  Beyond that, I don't have to look anywhere to make this statement.  I can use my education and intellect to clearly and unambiguously see that this is 100% true.

Now, I am fully aware that many people can't see or make the connection.  It's not so obvious, that's for sure.  It's just like stating that a mechanical flywheel is a perfect analogy for an inductor.  A puck on a skating ring is another perfect analogy for an inductor.  Nature and the physical world is telling us that "energy acts the same way in different systems."  It's actually quite beautiful.  Sometimes, when I an trying to understand how a circuit works I start thinking about the water analogy or the flywheel analogy.

If somebody is interested and wants to follow up so they can appreciate it for themselves, they are going to have to search or buy a related book, etc.

Heaviside may have been referring to some other aspect of electricity, I don't know.

So to put this very simple, association of the electrical phenomena ON and through a conductor ( named "destructor" by Heaviside, see many things are not as they are thought to be) with a flow of water, is highly misleading, unless of course one starts to think that the electrical phenomena materializes mostly ("flows") outside of the water pipe than inside of it, which would be true analogy.

So, it looks like you have a problem with the fact that a magnetic field will be outside of a wire, and the is nothing outside of a water pipe.  The interesting thing about that is it does not matter.  The analogy in terms of power and energy still works perfectly.

MileHigh

[gotoluc]

Hi lumen,

please look at the pictures below of my simple build. The U core will turn on the upper surface (as in pic) instead of core ends. I think it should be good enough for a general validation.

I have a question before winding the coil. Do you think it would be a good idea to cut (red lines first pic) and remove that part of core so the coil is set into the core?
Also, do you think the width of the C core and overlap on each sides of the center cores is okay (last pic)?
Anything else you would like to recommend, please let me know.

Thanks for your help

Luc