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The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

Started by syairchairun, November 09, 2014, 09:05:00 AM

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lumen

Nice cad concept but the cogging will be very strong at 4 times per revolution unlike the video with 20 to 40 cogs per revolution.
This is however what was shown in his cad also.

Magluvin

Quote from: lumen on November 13, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
Nice cad concept but the cogging will be very strong at 4 times per revolution unlike the video with 20 to 40 cogs per revolution.
This is however what was shown in his cad also.

I wrote this in the third thread of the 3d drawings.

Has the polarity of the magnets been shown yet?  If they are all the same pole out, where other parts of the motor can loop to the outer casing, then its possible to have nearly zero cog. If you have a small iron bar, and put a small magnet on the end of the bar N in, then put another of the same magnet on the other end of the bar, N in, it will stick to the bar. But as you use larger stronger mags, there will be a point where the second mag wont stick to the other end of the bar. No cog.  Or say very little cog if any.  Looking at the drawings so far, the iron slats that move are held together with outer plates which would make them all 1 piece of iron(iron bar).  And the mags look beefy.

Just thinking about it more, if the mags were 2 N out and 2 S out, there would be super cogging due to the mechanical connection of the iron bars. N mag goes in 1 bar, through bar holder plate and back to a S mag, without the second gap between the iron bar and coil.  So if it works as shown, Im betting on all same pole out. ;)

Not sure, but it is something to think on.  If the mags are N on 2 and S on 2, the coging with what we are looking at would most likely not be able to be overcome by hand so easily.  So the idea of all mags N 'or' S out makes more sense.

Im thinking that the iron parts may not have to be so big, in order to disturb the field in the coil. 

Was thinking of ferrite bars to replace the iron. Neo mags can be gotten un-magnetized and should be cheaper as the havnt been magnetized yet. Those could be a good replacement for the iron rotors. Can hold a lot of field before saturation, so can be smaller than iron. ;)   Get them without plating to avoid inductive losses of the plating and just paint or clear coat them as they cant handle oxidation well.. They can be gotten in curved pieces, made for pm motors

Also, coging can be reduced with an asymetric ratio of magnets and iron parts.

Mags

ketone

"Nice cad concept but the cogging will be very strong at 4 times per revolution unlike the video with 20 to 40 cogs per revolution.
This is however what was shown in his cad also."

He did mention his first motor had 40 poles? Or am I mistaken?