The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[T-1000]

I will add some a bit off topic but it is required to wake up sceptics for starting thinking about "grey" areas between white and black of current physics "laws":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlx2PgESXhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiI22CdBbv4&list=UUzWA3ov9kcza5XxtHh-lM7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OobiPEZN6vQ

Due no other input from author of this thread, people are figuring out themselves... There is some deviation from design shown with step forward collectively thought and experimented with in http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2678.0 (sorry forum trolls, you cannot hijack it  )
Taking whole understanding how it works and shifting it to the level where no external motor is required is a target Like  E. Leedskalnin had back in 1930s in his generator ... Then there will be no doubts left about input power usage and power output I hope...

Cheers!

[Cadman]

Still traveling down my own road here... not trying to negate any laws of physics, just making them work for us.

How does this generator assist with it's own motive force? We already see how the rotor is attracted toward the next pole once it is past the cogging point, positively aiding the rotor rotation.

Here's another piece of the answer.

Anyone who has ever applied full power to a loose motor knows the resulting force is applied to both the armature and the stator.

In the picture below,
F = force, Nm
I = current, amps
B = magnetic strength, Teslas
h = length of red wire in meters

F = IhB

The result is a force F out of the screen acting on the wire, the basic principle of electric motors.

In this generator, the magnetic source X and the red wire carrying a current I are locked in position and can not move.

The wire carrying current I sees only a magnetic force from a temporary magnetic source, rotor Y.

The resulting force F is applied to rotor Y forcing it into the screen.


One question is, which rule will assert itself here, Fleming's right hand or left hand rule? I think it will be the left hand rule because the current in the wire is the sum of that induced in itself plus the currents from all other coils wired to it in series. In other words the current in the wire is greater than the current induced in that one wire. Experimenting will tell.

Next, where to place the wires in the stator slots and how to connect them together in order to have the current flowing in the right direction at the right place to assist the rotor past the cogging point must be determined.

Getting real close to a build here..

[T-1000]

Still traveling down my own road here... not trying to negate any laws of physics, just making them work for us.

How does this generator assist with it's own motive force? We already see how the rotor is attracted toward the next pole once it is past the cogging point, positively aiding the rotor rotation.

Here's another piece of the answer.

Anyone who has ever applied full power to a loose motor knows the resulting force is applied to both the armature and the stator.

In the picture below,
F = force, Nm
I = current, amps
B = magnetic strength, Teslas
h = length of red wire in meters

F = IhB

The result is a force F out of the screen acting on the wire, the basic principle of electric motors.

The answer is right here. If you reach net balance of magnetic forces  on shorted coil when approaching iron bar has magnetic polarity from magnet to be same as the iron bar with flipped polarity from other magnet when it is going away from coil, the solution in coil is this:
"I = current, amps"
Make it less with help of increased resistance on wire on magnetic flux increase in the coil and no resistance on reversal. This will unbalance magnetic forces and the deflecting net force will be greater on the iron bar going away than on incoming. This will create one way pushing net force... So no basic physics principles are broken here

P.S> For creating such circumstances there is my explanation in http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2678.msg43430#msg43430

[Cadman]

T-1000,

No, sorry, that is not what I described, at all. Syair's gen, the one I am working on, has no resemblance to the Thane Hiens device either.

Over at overunityresearch you are talking about the moment of polarity flip of the rotor. This motor force on the rotor is separate from that.

Btw, you left out the the important part in your quote

The result is a force F out of the screen acting on the wire, the basic principle of electric motors.

In this generator, the magnetic source X and the red wire carrying a current I are locked in position and can not move.

The wire carrying current I sees only a magnetic force from a temporary magnetic source, rotor Y.

The resulting force F is applied to rotor Y forcing it into the screen.

Cheers

[T-1000]

T-1000,

No, sorry, that is not what I described, at all. Syair's gen, the one I am working on, has no resemblance to the Thane Hiens device either.

Over at overunityresearch you are talking about the moment of polarity flip of the rotor. This motor force on the rotor is separate from that.

Btw, you left out the the important part in your quote
Cheers

There is no connection to Thane Hiens device there. Also as I mentioned above, this description is not about Syair's gen either. The W. Gary effect + balanced wheel by means of magnetic forces is a deviation from first post in thread so it is on other forum...