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The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

Started by syairchairun, November 09, 2014, 09:05:00 AM

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lumen

I suspect the idea here is not to look for a way around Lenz law since it is a function of the current flowing in the coil and without it you are simply not generating any current.
The idea is to find a way to force the field through the coil against lenz but in such a way as to not feel the affect of the increasing lenz force on the rotor.

You can have delayed lenz in the same manner as you can have a delayed magnetic field through a core. A shaded pole motor relies on this fact and is achieved by the copper ring around the core to slow the progression of the field by using lenz itself.

It may be possible to switch the flux through the coil in such a way as to not cause significant lenz effect on the rotor or switching component itself. This is the main idea behind MEG devices (that never seem to work).

In the end, the more lenz in the coil, the more current is being generated. Finding a way to do this without much work applied, would be the trick!

Veritas

Why moderators you dont post my previous post? please dont cencorship it, thanks.

T-1000

Quote from: lumen on December 10, 2014, 03:11:49 PM
I suspect the idea here is not to look for a way around Lenz law since it is a function of the current flowing in the coil and without it you are simply not generating any current.
The idea is to find a way to force the field through the coil against lenz but in such a way as to not feel the affect of the increasing lenz force on the rotor.

The induced Lenz force(magnetic field) in coil has to be in place but its vector should be not aligned to the prime mover which is causing change of magnetic field. The only one way to get that is when magnet and coil is not on same direction as physical movement is. So it is up to everyone how to design that just the best case I find out is on 90 degrees between Lenz force and prime movement.

P.S> Maybe my explanations are not understood properly due non native English so it get ignored in this forum but eventually people who will spend time on experiments will arrive to what I am trying to say...

MarkE

Quote from: Erfinder on December 10, 2014, 07:13:13 AM

I've watched your videos, and applaud your effort.  Regretfully however, we are not on the same page.  You have a very complex magnetic configuration, several configurations actually.  I am specifically referring to tests conducted with a standard solenoid, and a rotor with either like or alternating polarity.   There is a difference in function, and in principle.  In my opinion, (which you didn't ask for.....) We don't necessary need to know what magnetism is to understand how it moves, and what happens when it moves, both of which are well documented.  In the example I sight, the magnets move past the coils (standard).   There is none of this iron moving between stationary coils and magnets.

Is our negative bias towards Lenz justified?  Do we see the system as he saw it when he penned the law?  How can we fix and or correct that which we "consider" broken if we don't understand the system where the "negative" effect is manifesting, nor the mechanisms operating within that system which are responsible for the effect we wish to eliminate? 


Regards
Lenz is not a problem to begin with and it is not something you can reduce or remove.  System losses due to induction that does things like develop wasteful (if used improperly) eddy currents are things that can be minimized by a smart magnetics design.  All these attempts to cheat Lenz' Law are to me are as misguided and futile as a car manufacturer trying to improve mileage by trying to develop anti-gravity devices so as to reduce tire friction.

MarkE

Be careful about terminology:  A magnetic amplifier is a device that uses the non-linear characteristics of the transition from the linear portion of the B-H curve to the saturated portion in order to function as a signal amplifier.  By and large here we are talking about operation in the linear region of the B-H curve.