Pulse motor build off time.

[MileHigh]

Gyula:

Also, John Bedini showed a pulse motor with a single big coil also placed 'tangentially' to the rotor magnets, he coined the 'zero force motor' name for that, see this video as he himself demonstrated it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpDMMcNQxc
He claimed in the video the setup had no bemf, no Lenz effect and indeed at the input (small) current level involved, together with the huge coil size versus the relatively small inducing rotor magnets this sounds correct.  I am sure the input current would go up when the motor shaft were to be loaded mechanically, that would be a good test to show how Lenz-less the setup is.

I find it really hard to find any good in John Bedini.  I remember that clip also.  Of course that motor doesn't act any differently than any other pulse motor on a fundamental level.  If he was a man of integrity he would actually explain how it works.  Of course you get the phony term "radiant energy" mentioned also.  All that you would have to do to bust all of that would be to connect a scope to the disconnected drive coil, and then take your hand and give the rotor a good spin.  Then of course you would see an AC waveform on the drive coil output showing that it can act in the other direction, like a generator.  If you can see the tell-tale sign of a generator, then you go back in the forward direction and voila you have a motor.

He shows a "no current" reading on an analog ammeter with a full scale range of 5 AMPERES.  What a joke.

It's just a flimflam act.

MileHigh

[Pirate88179]

It's even more funny how some peeps react when they build a PM for a PMBO saying that the way they build their PM is the only way to build one and even write about it in that manner on many forums...lol
LOL...if you can't get your PM to run like mine do on that kinda input than you still have a long way to go...

That's your believe thinking that people need to show meters on both sides of the PM or show anything for that matter..no they don't...it's their desicion to do so or not...

Me doing magic tricks...lol...think i need to invite Stefan to see this one first hand...good thing you haven't seen my massive PM running at nano input some time ago...lol...

Have fun...

But, can you run your motor from an Earth Battery?  I did this 5.5 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY


Bill

[MileHigh]

MCR,

One thing is clear to me is that you want it your way no, matter what.

Your comments on low power PM is like a the wind blowing smoke, it's only when you pull power from your so called efficient pm that really matters

You're right, you don't have to show any input or output of power, so why even think you can try to fool other with this clown act of showing super low input of power in the first place?

You're comment on RWG research asking others how to use hall effects just show me you know very little about electronics.

You're like a car salesmen, adding more pulse motors on RWG forum hoping to win a prize, when the last few ones did not work

I have better things to do then to add any more comments to you, good luck, and may the best integrity person wins!

Tommey, I can't disagree with you here.   On the other thread there was a discussion about the false concept of the "delayed Lenz effect" and then a discussion about the issues that need to be understood when you are trying to understand the input power consumption of a pulse motor.  It was sometimes technical and very informative.  Verpies contributed some very solid technical information along these lines just the other day in this thread.

Then we get a clown comment like this:

So true, sorry about my part...it's only distraction that is getting no where... (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Another thread won't do any good if you can't keep the distraction out of it... (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/sad.gif)

Ho ho ho.... It's all just "distraction" and gets "no where."   Ho ho ho.... I would rather crank out another pulse motor and have a beer.  Measurements shmeasurements, who needs that distraction?

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

Core effect pulse motors are very different from the "ordinary" electromagnetic attraction-repulsion type of PMs that seem to be the only kind anyone is talking about.
I posted this video of my Orbette 2.0 in another thread but maybe it belongs here.

The core effect motor works NOT by electromagnets attracting or repelling rotor magnets. It works by changing the permeability of the toroidal core by driving it to saturation with applied current. This _reduces_ the attraction of external magnets to the core -- either polarity, either current direction. It is _not_ an effect of direct electromagnetic attraction or repulsion.

This allows one to accomplish several things, for example the core effect motor coil position can be "tuned" to produce very little or no "generator effect", while not affecting the ability of the core to attract, or reduce attraction to, the rotor magnets.  This seems to be what you are talking about when you say "no Lenz effect".

Note that with a well-constructed _toroidal_ wound core, there is very little leakage of the electromagnetic field outside the core. Note also that the core effect does _not_ depend on either rotor magnet polarity or current polarity in the coil, since it is _not_ working by electromagnetic repulsion or attraction. You can use a DPDT switch to change the polarity of the current in a core effect motor and it will not affect the running at all. Of course there will always be some leakage, and stray fields from supply wiring, etc, so the "not at all" part is an ideal situation, but it is clear that the core effect motor does not behave anything like the ordinary electromagnetic attraction/repulsion type of pulse motor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90rMGmskqXQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBS3tDyZEs8



If anyone is still wondering about Hall sensors, here are a couple of videos that may be helpful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GazsfQLu38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl8Ke62r468

[TommeyLeeReed]

Hi All,

This is my radial pulse motor generator entry.
3 minutes is short time to talk about this motor, but they are the rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bWRBHvb6mM

Spec:
Radial Pulse Engine/motor/generator
Input 12v@3a max (motor input), stall load 56w
Input 9v@ 40ma (micro controllers)
8 coils 24 gauge at 100 ft each (2.567ohms)
PWM speed controller
1 Arduino 2560 mega
ECM reading/controls
Rotational 5 degree steps (72 steps per complete rotation)
Control firing power stoke on each piston coil 0deg(TDC) to 180deg(BDC)
8 led piston firing lights
RPM reading (0- 3600)
Output:
BEMF collector from 8 coils


Good luck to everyone, some real good builds out there :cheerleader:
TLR