Vaccinations; recent developments

[sarkeizen]

Vaccinations are, unfortunately, not as effective as they've been claimed.

Sadly that article was written by someone who is terribly stupid.

It's not actually a study, so much as a case report.  There were seven cases of complicated mumps in the south of France.    This is not a "epidemic" in the normal sense of the term as there are few cases occurring over a year. If you had read the study - which you didn't and neither did the writer of the article.  You would know that they actually don't know what the cause here is.  They speculate that this could be a new strain or it could simply be the result of lower coverage. 

It is necessary to verify the efficacy of any vaccination

We do this, it's part of the serology.  I always find it interesting that people who want to talk about the lack of effectiveness of vaccines don't seem to understand what they are postulating.   See unlike every stupid thing you might replace vaccines with - vaccine effectiveness is (during development) determined by measuring seroconversion.  That is, the production of antibodies based on the presence of antigens.   If you want to doubt that seroconversion is strongly correlated with disease resistance then you also have to explain why seroconversion happens.  Do you think it's some accidental side effect?

[sarkeizen]

Deep within that maze of crazy the aforementioned article actually does attempt to imply that antibodies are uncorrelated (or unnecessary) for disease resistance.  However it fails to cite a study to support this assertion and it doesn't really seem to explain what antibodies are for or why they would correlate with disease resistance in other cases...and then it flops back into the mumps case report.

How does anyone read this stuff and not think the writer is crazy?  I mean it seems to imply that antibodies are not a part (or a significant part) of the immune system and then just moves on from this Nobel Prize material without justification.

[SeaMonkey]

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How does anyone read this stuff and not think the writer is crazy?
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Your statement above is a very persuasive clue to
your state of mind;  a well indoctrinated state of
mind.  Cognitive Dissonance rages unabated in
today's world of Mind Control and Brainwashing.

Ah well, in due time even that stubborn rejection
of evidence which points to serious problems with
vaccinations will give way to Truth.  Providing of
course that the mind is still functional...

Why flu shots are the greatest medical fraud in history.

[MarkE]

Your statement above is a very persuasive clue to
your state of mind;  a well indoctrinated state of
mind.  Cognitive Dissonance rages unabated in
today's world of Mind Control and Brainwashing.

Ah well, in due time even that stubborn rejection
of evidence which points to serious problems with
vaccinations will give way to Truth.  Providing of
course that the mind is still functional...

Why flu shots are the greatest medical fraud in history.

I note that you very often use NaturalNews as your reference.  NN has a number of problems, one of which is playing very fast and loose with the facts.  The article that you linked is an example.  Adams fails to distinguish between multidose and single dose flu vaccine.  He fails to distinguish between metallic mercury and mercury compounds and between different mercury compounds.  Single dose flu vaccine does not contain mercury.  Multidose containers of flu vaccine contain small amounts of thimerosal a methyl mercury compound.  About a third of flu vaccine by dose is distributed in multi-dose form and so contains thimerosal.  So first, one can get flu vaccine with no thimerosal at all:  Get a single dose vaccination.  Second, thimerosal is not metallic mercury.  It is a compound that the body readily passes.

Why do such things matter?  Well, let's take another chemical that in its pure form has a very high toxicity:  Chlorine.  Exposure to high concentrations of chlorine gas has a very high fatality rate.  The gas burns the linings of among other things the lungs. It was used to horrible effect in WW1.  However, certain chlorine compounds such as potassium chloride and sodium chloride are quite benign and are ingested by the entire population in large amounts.  The mercury compound found in vaccines is thimerosal.  Adams does not address thimerosal toxicity.  He implies that thimerosal is nasty poison because a constituent material is mercury.  He is at best badly misinformed and at worst intentionally spreading misinformation that encourages people to make bad personal health decisions.

[sarkeizen]

Your statement above is a very persuasive clue to
your state of mind;  a well indoctrinated state of
mind.  Cognitive Dissonance rages unabated in
today's world of Mind Control and Brainwashing.

I wonder which of us indoctrinated.  Well, I gave an argument based on demonstrable science and you just made sweeping generalizations.  Isn't that interesting?

Ah well, in due time even that stubborn rejection
of evidence which points to serious problems with
vaccinations will give way to Truth.  Providing of
course that the mind is still functional...

Well I was able to produce a pretty reasonable argument as to why the writer of the article you regurgitated a) Didn't know what they were talking about and b) had not read the study they were quoting.  That's a pretty good indication of a functional mind.  Now if you only could produce an actual argument we might know that your mind is functional. 

Why flu shots are the greatest medical fraud in history.

Well this article is a pretty good example of the opposite of thinking. Like a lot of things on Natural News it makes a lot of broad claims but nothing really approaching a cogent argument.  How are vaccines "the greatest medical fraud in history"?  Because some contain, as advertised thiomersal?