Vaccinations; recent developments

[MarkE]

When it comes to Autism ,there is no room for arrogance ,intellectual or otherwise , and certainly no room for cover ups or altering data.

1 in 64 children [and rising] is a completely unacceptable statistic .


Taking a stance that "we Know" what causes or does not cause Autism Pryor to serious investigation  would be the epitome of irresponsible behavior .


reprehensible to say the least.....


Chet

Chet we should take great care with our children.  As with all problems, it is important to address them in order of significance.  MMR and polio used to cause devastating damage.  Rubella in particular caused terrible birth defects. 

Let's use real, reliable data to decide how to best protect our children.  Wakefield who started this panic has been fully discredited.  And BTW according to the CDC:  MMR vaccine does not contain ANY mercury.

[sarkeizen]

it doesn't take a PHD or Rocket scientist to know that Thimerosal/mercury is a potent neurotoxin.

You have a knack for using many words and saying nothing.  What does "potent neurotoxin" mean?  Do you mean it's as bad as lead?  Nope in fact it is orders of magnitude safer than lead.  Is it as bad as organophosphates?  Nope.  Still orders safer.

Their brains are still developing and anything that will interrupt during this process will likely have long term effects.

a) How do you know anything is interrupted?
b) How do you know that the slightest interruption (whatever that means) is going to have a long term effect?

Do you really feel comfortable injecting your baby with a substance that contains a neurotoxin ??

Absolutely.  In the same way that most parents feel comfortable letting their babies ingest a hepatotoxin at over one hundred thousand times the dosage of mercury they are getting in a vaccine.

Their vaccine isn't a single dose only.  Since birth to an age of 2 years old,  they get a whole bunch of them.

...and if by 2 years they have had more than two tablespoons of tuna at any one time.  They have been given more mercury than all of them put together.

Dose after dose after dose of vaccines that have mercury contents is simply flat out dangerous and irresponsible.

Nope.

There is no such thing as a safe level of mercury. Any doctor or scientist who tell you otherwise needs their license revoked !!

a) Scientists don't have a licence.
b) There is a dosage of mercury for which there exists no meaningful body of evidence which correlates it to any known illness.
c) In fact there have been studies on blood mercury levels in children who had likely ingested mercury from fish (from 12 months to 7 years) and there was actually an slight IQ increase (probably not due to the mercury).  The average blood level was slightly higher than that of a vaccine. Hence your idea that even one molecule of Hg is dangerous is probably wrong.

Please KNOW SOMETHING before you speak.

[SeaMonkey]

Mercury Poisoning

[sarkeizen]

Mercury Poisoning

200 mcg/L  is the level considered for poisoning according to the Wiki. 6 mcg/L is considered the high side of normal.  A vaccine has 0.5 mcg - even an infant which has 0.25L of blood would only have 2mcg/L of Hg for a period of time until it is excreted.  However usually the first vaccination is at 12 months.  Which means a blood volume of approximately 0.8L which means about 0.625 mcg/L.

So according to the Wiki article there's little chance of a vaccinated child of having much more than a normal level of mercury.  Any chance you're going to make an actual argument or are you just going to keep vomiting links?  Could you at least READ them before you post?

[allcanadian]

I stopped getting my children immunized years ago after looking at the what I considered to be the facts. First there seems to be a real issue with quality control and in Canada one batch down East contained tainted virus which everyone involved admitted would have literally infected the users with the disease. This was noted by Health Canada as well as many other agencies concerned with the poor quality of vaccine coming out of the good old USA.


There are also major concerns published by the European union with the toxicity of the "fillers" used in said vaccines and as some of you know they have partially embraced ultra-low level testing or bottom up testing as some call it. This is where a substance is considered safe at the "safe" level however at very much lower levels measured in parts per billion it can and has proven to be toxic to the human body. This work was noted by an American journalist I believe and it is a big problem because it means our version of WHIMIS or safe exposure levels is completely wrong. It means we need to re-test every single substance known to man and nobody wants to go there for obvious reasons.


We also have actual data which is surprisingly rare concerning the actual number of people who are effected or die from being immunized. In many cases the data is withheld or inaccurate as noted by researchers and journalists. At other times it was noted that many countries do not even track the side effects concerning immunizations. What I can tell you is that the Canadian agencies seem to take this matter seriously as I was involved with reporting a possible side effect from an immunization concerning someone I know.


The numbers suggest in some area's which may relate to specific batches the immunizations have caused major side effects relating to death and or permanent damage. The numbers are not good and may in some cases may exceed 5%. One must also consider that the World Health Organization declared polio eradicated from the Earth over a decade ago. That is there are no cases of polio, now if it does not exist then why would anyone put themselves at risk to get immunized?. Why we may as well get immunized against fairies and unicorns if this is the case.


I researched the science journals coming out of Europe which I believe are much less bias than those from the North America. As well their idea of "health care" and the "quality" standards of what we put in our bodies is light years ahead of North America. For instance in new homes the standard for make up air (fresh air) in Europe is 100% while in Canada/USA it is only 5%. It is no wonder people are getting sick because they spend most of their time indoors breathing air polluted with household chemicals. All of my houses have systems designed by me with at minimum 100% make up air 80% of the time as a rule.


I have no problem with vaccines because they are a proven technology however we are not talking about there effectiveness we are talking about the toxic fillers used and the quality of the materials used in the vaccines. It is simply a sign of the times where psychotic people place profit margins ahead of quality and safety.


I am an Engineer and my wife a registered nurse and we decided the tangible risks are simply too great. It's actually kind of funny that I had a run in with a health nurse not long ago and found her completely ignorant to the actual facts concerning immunizations, I mean my children were more informed than she was which is again a sign of the times. I made her look stupid because she was and I have no problem with that, you see I know many people personally who actually work in the health care industry (doctors and nurses) and believe me it is nothing like what you are told. The level of complete and utter incompetency is mind boggling and a hospital is most definitely the last place on earth you want to find yourself in my opinion.


So we must decide for ourselves and make informed choices, the science journals from anywhere but North America are a good place to start because in my opinion our system is tainted and biased. You need to talk with real people in the system who know the facts concerning the levels of risk involved.


AC