Vaccinations; recent developments

[MarkE]

The bottom line in this debate is that vaccinations are a net plus for society and they serve the common good.  Anybody with ordinary common sense should realize this.  Just like if you have ordinary common sense you should know that your body is resilient enough to handle trace amounts of all sorts of toxic substances, and any toxic substance below a certain dosage threshold is essentially harmless.  The nonsensical panic and doom-saying about the mercury compounds to keep vaccinations bacteria-free come to mind.

Another thing for people with common sense:  I glanced at many of the links put up by the anti-vaccination crowd and the web pages are almost always "alternative tabloid trash" web sites.  The kinds of web sites that sell magnetic belts and "structured water" and other junk like that.

There is also something "nasty" (for lack of a better term) that the anti-vaccination crowd may have not addressed:  You have a responsibility to your fellow man to try to not catch dangerous communicable diseases and put others around you, or the whole population,  at risk.  They don't want to deal with the fact that their selfish actions could be harmful to others.

Here is a hypothetical scenario:  The anti-vaccination crowd wins out and 20 years from now, 3/4 of children are not vaccinated.  Then a really nasty measles or mumps virus spreads like wildfire among adolescents because nobody has immunity.   Thousands and thousands of adolescents die, schools are shut down, the medical system is overstressed, etc, etc.

If that happened where would the anti-vaccination crowd be?   I can bet you that they will be demonstrating against the government and demanding compensation.  They will claim that "the government must have known" they were stupid and misguided, and therefore it's the government's fault for not "correcting" the problem in the first place.  "Yes I was a stupid idiot and my children got really sick.  I demand that the government compensate me for my stupidity because they should have known better!"

Meanwhile, real people are unethical and also make grave mistakes in the pharmaceutical inductry.   Look, a shocker, your tax dollars at work to fix a very serious problem where the responsible people should go to prison:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/17/us/meningitis-outbreak-arrests/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Use your own common sense to weed out and ignore the people that clearly have no common sense.

MileHigh

What happened at NECC is an example of the kinds of results "Don't regulate" brings about.  NECC created straw patients so that they could compound "for them", when what they were really doing was selling wholesale.  They used the exemptions for small compounding pharmacies to avoid the expense and hassle of running a proper laboratory.  Now that they've been busted, maybe they'll go into compounding herbal remedies, like Mother's Nourishing Morning Glory Milk.

[sarkeizen]

If you are vaccinated then what us sane people do shouldn't be of concern...shood it ?

Depends.  Vaccines are not 100% effective and while they are very, very, very safe.  There is a tiny risk.  If a disease is eradicated (like polio will hopefully be).  It makes sense to stop vaccination.  As long as people like you are in the tiny minority and well distributed throughout society.  I don't have a problem with you being unvaccinated.   Immunocompromised people might want to push you in front of a bus though.

In the end, natural selection will win out.

Actually natural selection only affects heritable traits.  While there might be some knowledge transfer from parent to child about getting vaccinated there's still plenty of room for disinformation from people like you to influence folk.  Even if we assume an advantage to being vaccinated as I mention above.  In a minority position the unvaccinated are, protected by those who are.  Given both those things it's not that likely that selection will occur and even if it does it will take an enormously long time and of course many entirely needless deaths to accomplish this.

I'm comfortable with my position.

Because you are an idiot.

[sarkeizen]

What happened at NECC is an example of the kinds of results "Don't regulate" brings about.  NECC created straw patients so that they could compound "for them", when what they were really doing was selling wholesale.  They used the exemptions for small compounding pharmacies to avoid the expense and hassle of running a proper laboratory.  Now that they've been busted, maybe they'll go into compounding herbal remedies, like Mother's Nourishing Morning Glory Milk.

That's terribly sad.  Compounding pharms do have risks and probably need better regulation.  That said they are pretty useful.

[Cap-Z-ro]

Because you are an idiot.

T'is better to be called an idiot by a fraudster and a troll than a vaccination statistic.

Regards...

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[sarkeizen]

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What text have I altered that you're so very concerned about?  Please provide exact quotes.