Vaccinations; recent developments

[sarkeizen]

Interesting take.

It's not a take.  It's the facts as you have stated them. If anyone wants to be treated like a rational person by you.  You demand that they take your beliefs on faith.

[sarkeizen]

http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/why-are-so-many-healthy-people-dying-from-the-flu-after-receiving-the-flu-shot/

So what parts of that article do you think are very strong evidence against vaccine safety?

[SeaMonkey]

It's not a take.  It's the facts as you have stated them. If anyone wants to be treated like a rational person by you.  You demand that they take your beliefs on faith.

Perhaps you might amplify what you mean by my
"beliefs."

Are you a "rational person?"

[sarkeizen]

Perhaps you might amplify what you mean by my "beliefs."

Only to a point, as you are being an asshole when it comes to answering questions I only have so much information.  One thing you have said is: "It is much more about what you consider to be 'credible evidence.' '".  What I consider credible evidence is evidence which, supports a hypothesis (in the Bayesian sense), which is clear, correctly cites source material, conforms to the rules of probability theory and in line with well established principles in other sciences like physics and biology.

Rejecting these principles means effectively believing in things for no good reason at all and virtually everything you have posted is the opposite of one and frequently all of those things.

Are you a "rational person?"

It doesn't really matter.  If you're going to say anything to anyone about anything that has to be one of your fundamental assumptions.  Otherwise you might as well recite the dictionary and say it's an argument for vaccine safety...or against vaccine safety.

[joel321]

Again, I don't speak troll very well.  Are you trying to say that a dinosaurs lifespan is longer than a humans or that they existed as a species for longer then we did.

Please stop calling me troll or just stop responding back to me as plan and simple.

I thought it was so obvious that dinosaurs have lived on earth longer than us and I thought that you could do math too, the majority states that the dinosaurs where in fact living only with DNA "vaccinations" and a lot of it has to do with preventing it in the first place via "evolution".

From that we can see that humans have been on this earth for very little than dinosaurs where on this earth as a whole. Are you a dinosaur old man? Not even if you talk about your brothers ans sister apes don't even come close in the time line?

Every action has an effect.  Even inaction.  So refusing a vaccination has a side effect of making you more likely to get a disease.

Exactly, how is that hard to see? But let me "not be nice" let me go to work with a microbial filter at work when people go to work with the flu? Am I going to discriminate them or make them feel "sick" or "ill". Or we can also make them wear microbial filtering masks as to not spread the virus, oh i'm going to hurt their feelings?

We already know that works because painters that paint cars use FILTERS and the same happens in air conditioning units, IN FACT, hospitals have the "best" (I wish) microbial filters as to not spread the virus from one room to the other via the HVAC sytem...and of course we have via the hands hence washing hands hence why I mentioned the thumb is your dirtiest finger....not hard to think at all.

There are "sub-atomic viruses"?  Who knew?  Do you mean you don't know how they work at a sub-atomic level?  Doubtful but we do know quite a lot about how they work at an atomic level and an enormous amount about how they work at the cellular level.

lol now we can talk about nuclear fission and stuff...it's the same thing. Doctors are trying to figure out the sud-atomic viruses, physicist are trying to understand the sub-atomic particles.

I already mentioned that everything connects with each other. As like talking about bees...all are bees but then we have honey bees, wasps, hornets, bumble bees...etc, but they are all BEES.

The same with the sub-atomic world in both sides, urenium to fuel via fossils and vaccines to fuel the immune system...both are sub-atomic, atomic, really foking small. But we have not figured out all 360* angles or what exists in the mricro world. You only understand what you can understand in the present time ONLY.

The word we tend to use is "inactivated" which means dead.  However since antibodies look for the "shape" of the virus (I'm oversimplifying here a bit) it will cause the body to produce antibodies for the live virus.  Enough for someone who comes in contact with the virus to be asymptomatic or sometimes merely have a mild case.  The nasal vaccine is a "attenuated" virus which means that the virus is still live and capable of infection but greatly weakened.  This is similar to the inoculation done for small pox via cow pox.

I already know this and it's what I said. You are just saying my word of semi-dead = "inactive" and my word of more alive is= "attenuated" but it's still the same thing. I'm not trying to be politically correct because I don't understand the medical lingo just like you don't understand the LAWYERS lingo. BUT I do understand what I need to understand...further understanding than that, I would need to get paid. IOW, just go deeper only in one study.

You just changed my words to medical words and so I'm wrong in the whole main point because you just did that? Okay.

Absolutely wrong.  Antibodies are simply not that specific - if you read Sea Monkey's post about the scary shadow government having a flu vaccine which covers 100% of the flu.  While he is an idiot and incorrect there are antibodies which attack more broadly.   Another example is the varicella vaccine which has been shown to provide protection to people with the herpes virus.

Yes I can go study many thousandths of pages regarding medicine but that is not my field.

I'm still RIGHT, you are just focusing on the cure after the fact with medicine and forgetting about the cure before THE FACTS. Since if never occurs in the first place, you would not need any medicine.

Lets say that I got the flu shot today and I disregarded EVOLUTIONARY precautions and I never told anyone to caught in the inner elbows. Then I get the virus just like many other millions of other people.  Then the virus WILL mutate and become another different PREDOMINANT strand in the future. You are just going to be at war with viruses with medicine.

Now if we educate people, like I have myself, I would have never would have gotten contagious in the beginning = hence not allowing viruses to mutate and evolve to more dangerous! IN FACT VIRUSES HAVE AN IMMUNITY TOo THAT THEY BECOME TO MEDICINE EVENTUALLY. Or am I wrong that viruses don't have their own immunity or way to "evoluve" like "MUTATE".

Unless you are taking the nasal vaccine.  You are getting a virus that is all dead.  Vaccines contain adjuviants which make the body make more antibodies than they usually would.

Ohhh, this is more for shyt and giggles, but you are telling me that there are no cases where a person gets the flu virus right after he/she gets the flu virus shot?

Yes people can still get sick but not for the reason you stated.  See above.

Why should I believe you and not articles stating people whom specialize in this field say so.

I just spoke about people getting sick after the flue shot because the virus mutated so fast that the flu shot became nill. And you expect me to believe you over real experts. ok.

What is your back ground in medicine?

Exceptionally unlikely - especially with a handshake.

lol, saliva has DNA, sneezing has DNA = saliva fog spray. Wow, this is soooo stupid that I'm amazed how you understand how viruses spread!

Pretend a female having her time of the day and uses the toilet and then there is a drop of blood on the toilet seat. Then comes a person with no vaccination aids (no cure for aids) and sits on the same toilet BELIEVING THAT AN STD/VIRUS CANNOT BE SPREAD VIA A TOILET.. comes a long and says "well, I will believe sarkeizen, and I quote "Exceptionally unlikely" (nor mentioning no cures for AIDS). So the person that sits down just happens to have an itch in the skit previously that it aligned right next to the blood on the toilet seat (even microscopic) and person itched it hard that caused a microscopic break in the skin, and then the infected DNA enters via that broken skin! You are very INTELLIGENT!

I think I'm done with you. Thanks. Is not like you put sprinkle pill/drug/vaccines on the toilets and water and air to prevent illness for FREEE!

The mere fact that if the STD carrier (person) was to understand that leaving blood on a toilet and not wipe it off, or the mere fact that the other user of the toilet, does not understands to clean the toilet in the first place, is not way better than getting the virus VACCINATION in the first place?