Vaccinations; recent developments

[Cap-Z-ro]

In any case, their final acts in desperation as
they rush to solidify the New Order of Things
are so sloppy that few are falling into their traps
any longer.

They're assuring that none will escape notice of
how crazy they've become.

Yours too!

They do seem to be in an awful hurry, don't they ?

Too many holes in the dyke now, I'm afraid.

Regards...

[sarkeizen]

Your continuing efforts to make your AGENDA and your Mission crystal clear

ROFL.   I'm pretty certain you're just a troll now.

The facts appear to be that you posted a practical joke as if it was some serious TRUTH because like every other thing you post you didn't spend even a moment in self-criticism.

Edit: Should I have posted a big image file too?  Like one with your face (taken from our secret cameras in your house) and the words "enormous idiot" on it?  What's your advice here?

[joel321]

Some but not all. The degree of effectiveness depends on a large number of variables including how carefully people take them on and off (as we learned in the ebola outbreak).

i'm not even arguing about that at all. ALL I"M SAYING ISA THAT FILTERS WORK MORE THAN VACINATIONS.

As a matter of fact coughing while having the flu virus to the ground, that is some type of EDUCATIONAL filter too.

Also if you cough inside t-shirt, that is also effective too.

Also keeping a distance farther than the cough can reach so the virus can just fall to the floor/ground and die.

All of the above are filters.

I NEVER SAID THAT ALL FILTERS WILL FILTRATE EVERYTHING SINCE IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS.

I can barely understand your deliberately broken English.  What's there to have an ego about?

Give Dr. Phil a call and he will explain it really well for you.

Depends.  In most cases the mask wouldn't offer better or even improved protection.  For example during H1N1 I had to live with someone who was infected and shedding viruses everywhere.  The mask would have been almost 100% useless because the person was walking around the house, touching just about everything I touch.  I'm on the priority list for vaccination against infectious diseases so I had already been vaccinated.

Nice research right there, you are not believing in the mask based ONLY ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH ONE! FLU VIRUS CARRIER. Ohhh ok. I thought you thought was greater. This sounds like you are trolling yourself.

In MOST cases IS ONLY BASED ON "I had to live with someone who was infected" well don't you see doctors and nurses wearing FILTERS to both not get infected nor infect the patient?

As a matter of fact, if a doctor is doing surgery on an HIV/AIDS carrier, he uses the FILTERS to mostly protect him/herself SINCE there is no cure for that virus. IOW, the success of the filters is enough to operate and touch their infected blood with out getting contaminated!!!

I'm figuring you out little by little

Trust me, nobody wants you to have babies.

Oh you talked to the girls that insinuate to me? Plus why would you take this out of context when I was trying to imply that condoms are FILTERS that, although do not stop STD transmission, they do help. JUST LIKE THE SKIN IN ANIMALS FILTER OUT VIRUSES TO THE FLESH! Use your brain if you can.

Quite the opposite, during the ebola outbreak we found that even when educated and equipped with far stronger measures than you are proposing and faced with not just getting sick but dying.  People still got infected.  So the evidence says you're stupid.

Explain to me how the ebola virus was born and from what animal it came from?

The thing that I'm trying to explain to you over and over again is the ROOTS. If we now can understand where the ebola virus came from and how it MUTATED, we don't need shots BUT ONLY preventative measures.

There will not be a virus outbreak in the civilized world UNLESS someone does it on purpose, STOP LIVING IN THE UNCIVILIZED WORLD!

Not in practice and probably not in theory but since you won't tell me what you're using as a filter I can't give you exact numbers.

I tell the sick with flu person to stay away from me! I wash my hands when I see the sick flu person cough in his palm and then shakes my hands.

I tell the flu sick person to stay far away from the INTAKE of the HAVC unit.

Or simply I just EDUCATE how he/she got the virus in the first place!!!

Is your brain brand new?

Does "look at a lot of angles" just mean "Joel failed math?"  Seems like it.

You keep on going OUT OFF TOPIC over and over again.

OK smart guy. Explain how the flu virus is born?

A cloth t-shirt is probably more than 90% permeable by the virus making it even worse than this years flu vaccine.  Congratulations you're an idiot.

Where are your experiment results!?

LOL, did you conduct experiments how many flu virus go through a t-shirt when a person coughs through it? LOL, I'll bet a dollar that you have not...and I'll bet $100 that if a sick person with the flu lifts up his/her shirt when needed to cough, most of the virus would get FILTER by the t-shit cloth in the range of 80% or more...so I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU ARE AN EXPERT lol.

What?

...and having all those things people still get infections.

And having NO FILTERS people will get more infections than having NO LAYERS of filters. Hmmm...what is your reasoning?

Yawn! Is not the human SKIN not a FILTER of protection? HENCE, when the human skin gets a cut, the viruses get in!!!!!

No idea what you're asking here.

How are flu viruses made each year and which flu virus strand gets the vaccine?

You think viruses eat?

Well they need FREEE food energy to live. Why would be the purpose of the contaminating an ape human?

Well ask yourself the question "What is an immune system?" and you might figure that out.

ok, tell me what is an immune system?

The word is "ignorant".  You speak in a "ignorant way".

Ohhh if i'm more KNOWLEDGABLE about a lot of stuff and I'm higher in the knowledge than 60% of the people, so i'm ignorant based as an ignorant based on your assertions...holly cow more than 60% people are ignorant!

Then you are at fault for not teaching me how to not be non-ignorant! Since it is your responsibility if you are wayyy non-ignorant than me...you should feel bad! Out of topic again 0.o

I need this translated from deliberately broken troll to English.

Allow me to translate, HOW IS THE FLU VIRUS BORN!?

Again I need a word that isn't "strand" since that doesn't mean anything in medicine.  No studies will tell me about a "strand" because we don't use that word.

Oh brother, you can't figure out what I mean by STRAND? = STRAIN

I need this in English.  Sorry.  I have no idea what you mean by "die due to mosquito insect".

lol, sure you don't.

Even someone who did as poorly in math as you did.

I have never done maths in here, what are you talking about?

I did.  I responded by saying I wouldn't be answering those questions.  See how bad your fake-broken English is?

How do you understand life if you don't know how the rest of life works OUTSIDE your LITTLE BUBBLE?

[SeaMonkey]

...
What's your advice here?

Please, do as you please!  The presumption is that you're
of the age where parental approval or advice is no longer
needed or necessary.

Dazzle us with your Brilliance!

[sarkeizen]

i'm not even arguing about that at all. ALL I"M SAYING ISA THAT FILTERS WORK MORE THAN VACINATIONS.

Not really.

As a matter of fact coughing while having the flu virus to the ground, that is some type of EDUCATIONAL filter too.

English please.

Nice research right there, you are not believing in the mask based ONLY ON YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH ON FLU VIRUS CARRIER.

Look I'm sorry if you can't understand.  I'm not arguing something is true based on an anecdote.  I'm showing you from an experience of mine how masks are often useless.  It would be exceptionally difficult to avoid the virus because it would be in so many places.  Hence vaccination was the superior choice.

In MOST cases IS ONLY BASED ON " I had to live with someone who was infected

No, it was an example of how useless masks can be.

well don't you see doctors and nurses wearing FILTERS to both not get infected nor infect the patient?

Sure but a) this is used in addition to vaccination - the vast majority of health care workers are vaccinated and often requiried to be so b) it's a circumstance where getting sick has a higher chance of serious impact  c) You often don't know if they are vaccinated or not. d) The most frequent place they are worn is in the OR and this is because when someone has their body cut open they are operating at a lower immune capacity.

So it's entirely different than the scenario you were describing.   

As a matter of fact, if a docotr is doing surgery on an HIV/AIDS carrier, he uses the FILTERS to mostly protect him/herself SINCE there is no cure for that virus. IOW, the success of the filters is enough to operate and touch their blood with out getting contaminated!!!

Perhaps you need to take some deep breaths and then figure out what you mean by "filter".  I know all the procedures used by surgeons in North America when operating on HIV+ patients.  "filters" meaning anything that one would use to avoid influenza or avoid transmitting influenza is not really what is used.

Explain to me how the ebola virus was born and from what animal it came from?

Sorry I simply don't know what you mean by "born" and every time I talk about something to do with disease transmission you don't appear to understand.  So I apologize but I'm not going to answer any "born" questions.  Since they are effectively meaningless to me.  You can, if you want attempt to explain whatever moronic argument you are trying to make.

If we now can understand where the ebola virus came from and how it MUTATED, we don't need shots BUT ONLY preventative measures.

This doesn't really make any sense but that's probably because all the words that mean anything to anyone trained in medicine don't mean the same thing to someone like you who is trained in AC repair...or something.

I tell the sick with flu person to stay away from me!

Thousands of viruses are virulent before they are symptomatic.  Lots of viruses are actually LESS virulent when the person is symptomatic.  Seriously think about it, even a cavepeople can see that the person who is coughing and wheezing is someone they shouldn't hang around.  So viruses have a selection pressure to be infectious before they cause symptoms.

You keep on going OUT OFF TOPIC over and over again.

Actually that was on topic.  Sorry if you don't understand the relevance.

OK smart guy. Explain how the flu virus is born?

Sorry I don't answer "born" questions.  Last time I explained how one particular modality of cancer happens.  You couldn't even understand that I was talking about a cause and not a cure.   It was so far above you that you couldn't tell the difference.   So, no offense I'm not interested in talking about that, to someone who can't understand even something as simple as that.

did you conduct experiments how many flu virus go through a t-shirt when a person coughs?

Didn't have to there have been studies done on the transmission of viruses through surgical masks which are less permeable than your average T-shirt.  So I looked them up - that thing you never do - and extrapolated.  Idiot.

And having NO FILTERS people will get more infections LAYERS of filters. Hmmm...what is your reasoning?

Your argument is that filters - which seem to mean everything that exists - are better than vaccination.  However even with the filters you describe people still get sick and we also know that if we vaccinate those people then they are less likely to get sick.  Hence your example was irrelevant to your point.  Please try and be less stupid.

Is not the human SKIN not a FILTER of protection

Only is some usage irrelevant to the point.   Again, try to be smarter. :-)

How are flu viruses made each year and which flu virus strand gets the vaccine?

Please define "strand" in some way that is actually useful.

Well they need FREEE food energy to live.

Viruses aren't alive in that sense.  They replicate but do not eat.  I don't know of any off-hand which are independently mobile.  However, in theory it might be possible for a sub-cellular organism to have some appendage which in a particular environment could provide some mobility.  I searched some medical dbs but couldn't find anything obvious.

Why would be the purpose of the contaminating an ape human?

Why do you believe that viruses have a sense of purpose?

ok, tell me what is an immune system?

So you're saying you don't have a definition?

if i'm more KNOWLEDGABLE about a lot of stuff

Not about anything relevant to what we're discussing.

Then you are at fault for not teaching me

Only partially, you are one of the worst students.

Allow me to translate, HOW IS THE FLU VIRUS BORN!?

So sorry.  No "born" questions until you convince me that you know what you're talking about.

Oh brother, you can't figure out what I mean by STRAND? = STRAIN

So you admit you're faking your bad English then?  I mean if you knew that the word was "strain" but used strand all the time.  Nice to see you admitted you're a troll.

So back to a question that if you had understood it a while ago I would have been able to give you some kind of answer.  You were too busy being ignorant.  Hopefully you have some time for this.  When you say "strain" - but because you're ignorant you say "strand' - do you mean serotype?

lol, sure you don't.

If you can't clarify what you mean...then just admit you don't know what you're talking about.

I have never done maths in here, what are you talking about?

Many of the things you assert are obviously wrong if you studied math.

How do you understand life if you don't know how the rest of life works OUTSIDE your LITTLE BUBBLE?

Everyone's knowledge is finite - yours more than most - so everyone lives in a bubble of sorts.  Everything you learn becomes part of your bubble.  So nobody knows how something works on the outside.

Yawn, but I'm sure you mean something stupid and will blame me for not understanding your idiosyncratic usage.