Vaccinations; recent developments

[MarkE]

Is this fellow in the video seriously suggesting that we add more sand into our diet?  We need to eat more sand...right?  I did not think that the body can make use of silica.  Who knew?

Bill

That's ironic.  One of the treatments for silicosis is aluminum powder.

[Cap-Z-ro]

That's ironic.  One of the treatments for silicosis is aluminum powder.

Side effect:  Afterward, you won't know sh!t from putty.

Regards...

[MasterPlaster]

Who needs a vaccine when you've got this? All women are asking for this now!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2924101/Miracle-daily-diet-jab-2-drug-helps-lose-19lbs-available-NHS-months.html

[sarkeizen]

A couple of things on the outset.  One is that the Vaccine Safety Conference is something of a crank-fest.  Wakefield who probably received the harshest penalty for a middling-to-poor paper about virtually nothing spoke there.

Also If you are giving a 45 minute lecture which is very important (He said it is about "saving the world") is it reasonable to spend over a fifth of that time in meandering nonsense?  Here is what happens in that time:

i) There are real adverse effects of vaccines.
ii) Almost all vaccines use some kind of aluminum as an adjuvant.  So we have a common factor
iii) Some biogeochemical graphic which somehow got published in a journal.
iv) Aluminum was not part of the human lifecycle until the 19th century.
v) If something is abundant then it must also be essential and this is a paradox.
vi) Bioavailability of aluminum has increased.
vii) Some reference to the "natural selection of aluminum" whatever that means.

So from the top.  I have no problem with i) - for example GBS is a real, verifiable adverse effect to vaccination.  Statement ii) is ridiculously ignorant.  Regardless of what crank blog you are reading the adverse effects you have deluded yourself into believing are harder to detect than GBS by simple nature that we can actually show a clear correlation between GBS and vaccination and it's difficult to impossible to show a clear correlation between vaccination and say autism.

So ceteris paribus all of those effects have to be less likely than GBS.  However GBS can't be caused by aluminum.  We know this because GBS is highly correlated with influenza.  Which is why it correlates - to a lesser degree - to the vaccine.  So here we have a real adverse effect, far more likely than any of the ones proposed by the cranks but aluminum plays no part.  Statistically that's hard to rationalize with someone saying "Aluminum is an enormous problem with vaccines".

His abundance implies necessity assertion in v) is a fallacy.  My guess as to how the rest of the talk goes is he makes some broad claims about a mechanism and then points to some cases where his predicted effect seemed to happen.  Which is the wrong approach - unless all you're interested in is convincing yourself or if you're preaching to the choir.  The right approach would be to start with epidemiology, then propose a mechanism, then do another *distinct* epidemiological study to validate your results. i.e. if our mechanism works with injected vaccines then can we see the same effect in people who's blood levels are at the vaccine injected levels.

But you won't see any of that because work like that is expensive, difficult to do well and probably incorrect.

If someone who has gone through the whole thing wants to pull out some amazing revelation.  I'm all ears but for now I'd rather watch: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL86F4D497FD3CACCE

Which probably earns me some vague ageist disparagement from SeaMonkey

[joel321]

Not really.

Do you make the "cure" before the illness happens? Lol

Tell me not really.

English please.

You are sounding like a racists person TO BE HONEST!

Where do you hear in the USA say "English please!" to a 'foreigner?"

You are so stupid – you hve the flu and you cough on your wives/kid face, you cough towards the flood – do you really not understand that? I seriously find you sick in the brain sir!

100% sure the flu virus spreads via the sick coughing, I tell you the sick person should cough to the ground and you are arguing about that simple fact? UNREALL! Just by that simple thing, you have some stupid neurons in the brain!

Look I'm sorry if you can't understand.  I'm not arguing something is true based on an anecdote.  I'm showing you from an experience of mine how masks are often useless.  It would be exceptionally difficult to avoid the virus because it would be in so many places.  Hence vaccination was the superior choice.

lol, you are so EGOTISTICAL that that will be the downfall of your life. You already mentioned that you are not an expert nor probably hav ever seen a virus under an electron microscope how they eat other viruses.

I tell you that people with the flu virus should aim to cough to the ground so they won infect the person next to them, and you argue with me about that? How stupid can you be, just the same as stupit people that believe that the flu virus magically spears!

I don't even know why i'm wasting my time with you. Maybe I need  in my life to entertain me.

No, it was an example of how useless masks can be.

Seriously guy, you don't even know how masks work!  There is a screw loose in your head that would be the death of you!

You are like leaving a cult life! YOU SAY FILTERS DON"T WORK!!! When let me think:

-engines have fliters.
-computer hard drives have filters.
-lawn mowers have them
-animal nose have them
-HVAC have them

why do I even bother explaining to you this when you are stupid!?

Sure but a) this is used in addition to vaccination - the vast majority of health care workers are vaccinated and often requiried to be so b) it's a circumstance where getting sick has a higher chance of serious impact  c) You often don't know if they are vaccinated or not. d) The most frequent place they are worn is in the OR and this is because when someone has their body cut open they are operating at a lower immune capacity.

So it's entirely different than the scenario you were describing.   

lol, you are a cult toward vaccines! I understand some vaccinations DO WORK and that it's obvious, what i'm trying to explain to you is the CORRUPTION regarding greed where they try to inject everyone mandatory!  That is my main point! I do believe in vaccines!!! I just don't like GREED where they treat humans as money making machines! This is OLDDDD mentality as we have seen from the past WOLDS RITCHES GUY IN THE WORLD – Carnegie...

i'm sure you are familiar with that history? Making workers work 12 hours a day 6 days a week?

Learn the history about the USA = j.p. morgan, tesla, carnegie, frick, rockafeller, edison, etc etc etc...HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO MENTIONED THAT YOU LEARN THE TRUTH! FROM THE PAST?

Your brain is not that big man! Lol

Perhaps you need to take some deep breaths and then figure out what you mean by "filter".  I know all the procedures used by surgeons in North America when operating on HIV+ patients.  "filters" meaning anything that one would use to avoid influenza or avoid transmitting influenza is not really what is used.

lol, OMG, your brain is not really that smart. Time after time you fail to understand obvious concepts.

I'm already tired of explaining you anything and at this point I really find you really stupid to be honest!

I'm wondering know if you have some type of mental disorder! Seems like you are CULT like. Or you just like the attention i'm giving you and you will give me BS just so I can keep responding to you = no matter the truth I speakm you will always go against me! Yawn!

Sorry I simply don't know what you mean by "born" and every time I talk about something to do with disease transmission you don't appear to understand.  So I apologize but I'm not going to answer any "born" questions.  Since they are effectively meaningless to me.  You can, if you want attempt to explain whatever moronic argument you are trying to make.

Look at this mothafukor not understanding the word TO BE BORN! Lol I already told him he was born from a vagina, and I should not even had to explain that to him. Born = coming out from a vagina!!! tell me you don't understand that again? Dumbo! Lol

This doesn't really make any sense but that's probably because all the words that mean anything to anyone trained in medicine don't mean the same thing to someone like you who is trained in AC repair...or something.

Yeah that must be it. Or maybe your r lacking in neuron health.

Thousands of viruses are virulent before they are symptomatic.  Lots of viruses are actually LESS virulent when the person is symptomatic.  Seriously think about it, even a cavepeople can see that the person who is coughing and wheezing is someone they shouldn't hang around.  So viruses have a selection pressure to be infectious before they cause symptoms.

I have been saying this already to you for a long time! Ohhh you are so smart! " viruses are virulent before they are symptomatic" NO FUKEN SHYT, since the cirus is what causes the ILLNESS! Oh let me thing, a virus causes ill symptoms? NO SHYT! If there was no virus, there would be no "symptomatic" shyt! What are you smoking?

Sorry I don't answer "born" questions.

0.0 ohhh ok, I will tell you, ur dad had  with your mom and the his spirm swam up to her overy eggs and only one was allowed to get in by YOU (lol) and then you where born and came out the female vagina!

Well, I don't know what BORN means either. That is the only reason we know what it means to be born! And that's what I mean by, what vagina was a virus born from? Lol

You don't know what born means? Are you 5 years old?

Didn't have to there have been studies done on the transmission of viruses through surgical masks which are less permeable than your average T-shirt.  So I looked them up - that thing you never do - and extrapolated.

How many flu virus STRAINS go through a t-shirt when a person coughs?

Your argument is that filters - which seem to mean everything that exists - are better than vaccination.  However even with the filters you describe people still get sick and we also know that if we vaccinate those people then they are less likely to get sick.  Hence your example was irrelevant to your point.  Please try and be less stupid.

First of all I'm nor ARGUING, if I was, I would be calling you a troll!

Second, even when vaccinated 60-60% you will still get sick since there is no 100% guaranteed or your money back vaccination!

No matter what you say, a vaccine is only a FILTER filtering out only one virus strain. = the predominant one and not the rest! Yawn!

What does that mean?

Only is some usage irrelevant to the point.   Again, try to be smarter.

Is not the human SKIN not a FILTER of protection?

Please define "strand" in some way that is actually useful.

How are flu viruses made each year and which flu virus gets the vaccine?

Viruses aren't alive in that sense.  They replicate but do not eat.

Show me proof that viruses do not EAT today!

Why do you believe that viruses have a sense of purpose?

Why do you believe that the don't?

So you're saying you don't have a definition?

Tell me what is an immune system?

Only partially, you are one of the worst students.

You are not even teaching anything teacher. It is your fault that you don't teach me your "brilliance".  You don't know how to teach the students when it's up to you to teach the student!

So sorry.  No "born" questions until you convince me that you know what you're talking about.

Here we go again, dick in V = born!

Everyone's knowledge is finite - yours more than most - so everyone lives in a bubble of sorts.  Everything you learn becomes part of your bubble.  So nobody knows how something works on the outside

Yeah sure buddy! Lol

I can bet you 2000 dollars I can fix more things than you can and even prove it here with facts! You are the cocky person! Believing that your "understanding" about vaccines is LIFE. Vaccinate your automobile with a shot to make it run since gas engines are what takes ur dumb azz to work. and a virus gives the engine a virus when the check engine lights up! yawn!
You are seriously just taking up space in this world. lol