Vaccinations; recent developments

[joel321]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QBcMYqlaDs

I already asked that dumb ass of sark, on what animals do they test the vaccines and how can they know the long term ill affects on a human when the animal being tested on does not live as a long a human.

That guy has never mentioned any proof of his blabbering, he just likes to be egotistical. To be honest, thats kind of passive aggressive ignorance. That guy has ZERO intelligence....don't get intimidated by him at all....he is garbage to me.

NOTHING that comes out of his mouth is even smart. like ZERO...he is just here trying to bully people to feed his ignorance. YEAH, some medicine works, but does not mean that medicine is the answer to LIFE! which is pretty simple to understand but this guy just wants to vaccinate and drug up all animals...what kind of shit is that?

Ask the guy how the fuck can he know LONG TERN ILL EFFECTs DUE TO ANY DRUGS when they don't tests on humans? well i will bet you $1000 dollars he does not know...just watch for his response. Watch!

[joel321]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QBcMYqlaDs

21:20 "the majority of vaccines are made in china." now go ahead and ask sark, where the vaccines are made? I'm certain he does not know since his ONLY mentality is + vaccines are 100% safe! He/she/it does not care where they come from or REGULATE them, his/her/it only importance is that they are 100% true life! lol what an idiot! It gets tiring after a while debating with him and he should be brought to light as how ignorant he is.

[sarkeizen]

So what no more claims that I'm somehow afraid of evidence?  Even though I ask - repeatedly - for it to be posted?

Is the Polio Vaccine Causing Cancer?

No.

"It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine."

--Marcia Angell, MD

Did you read the propaganda piece you posted?  Probably not, I suppose since it's just a rehash of other stuff that's been refuted I guess you don't have to.  However it's interesting to note that the Angell quote is entirely unrelated.

Did you read Angell's article?  Didn't think so.  I did.  Angell cites exactly one medical study about the efficacy of anti-depressants.  One. That is the only medical evidence she appeared to examine to make her conclusion.  Not only that but it's not even like we're getting insider information from someone who used to work for a prominent journal.  She's referencing a Irving Kirsch's 2002 APA article on antidepressant effectiveness.  Kirsch, for some reason is quick to dismiss effects of antidepressants.  For example in that article he found a 20% effectiveness of antidepressants over placebo but he thinks it doesn't matter.   Turner did a similar study on a much larger group of anti-depressants in 2008 and found that the effectiveness was closer to 30% and Kirsch did a re-analysis of a small portion of that data and found the effect size to be 32%.   So just to clear things up Kirsch doesn't think 32% - in his OWN research means anything.  While Turner thinks it's reasonable to conclude that there is a clinically useful effect.

Considering that both of these studies were stronger statistically than Kirsch's 2002 study and available to Angell it's interesting that she would avoid stronger more recent evidence for older less reliable evidence.  It's also unclear why she would think these results would extend  to any other part of medicine.

She does make some good points about ways that pharmaceutical companies do try to give their studies an edge but all of her examples seem plagiarized from Richard Smith's 2005 article.  Her conclusion is the only thing that's different - that you can make studies say whatever you want.  Which is, of course wrong. 

[sarkeizen]

I already asked that dumb ass of sark, on what animals do they test the vaccines and how can they know the long term ill affects on a human when the animal being tested on does not live as a long a human.

I've already explained that this question is like asking: "When is Spain?".  Animal trials are used for toxicity and teratogenicity.  I've also asked you the question "How do you know the long term effects of NOT getting vaccinated?" and you can't seem to answer.

Ask the guy how the fuck can he know LONG TERN ILL EFFECTs DUE TO ANY DRUGS when they don't tests on humans? well i will bet you $1000 dollars he does not know...just watch for his response. Watch!

Well a) They do test vaccines on humans and b) Long term effects are evaluated based on prior probability and epidemiology.  I've said this a few times now.  Are you saying you just don't understand what I mean?

[sarkeizen]

21:20 "the majority of vaccines are made in china."

Are you just being racist now?  China may well produce more vaccines than any other country but not for North America.  Probably much of China's stock goes to vaccinate people in China.  China does export vaccines to other countries like Africa - probably their yellow fever and typhoid vaccines are from China.  The only one I know of which is licensed for sale in the US is for Japanese encephalitis I don't know the brand name offhand but it was only approved last year.

now go ahead and ask sark, where the vaccines are made?

ActHIB (Hib) - Sanofi Pasteur SA in Lyon, France
Adacel (Tdap) - Sanofi Pasteur Limited in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Boostrix (Tdap) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium and Wavre, Belgium
Daptacel (DTaP) - Sanofi Pasteur Limited in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Energix-B (Hepatitis B) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium
FluMist (Influenza) - MedImmune Vaccines, Inc. in Gaithersburg, Maryland and Wyeth in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Fluzone (Influenza) - Sanofi Pasteur, Inc. in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania
Gardasil (HPV) - Merck & Co., Inc., West Point, PA.
Havrix (Hepatitis A) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium
Infanrix (DTaP) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, but manufactured by Chiron-Behring GmbH & Co. in Marburg, Germany
IPOL (IPV) - Sanofi Pasteur SA in Lyon, France
Menactra (Meningococcal) - Sanofi Pasteur, Inc. in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania
Pediarix (DTap, IPV, Hepatitis B) - GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium
PedvaxHIB (Hib) - Merck & Co., Inc., in West Point, Pennsylvania
Prevnar (Pneumococcal) - Lederle Laboratories in Sanford, North Carolina and Pearl River, New York
MMRII (Measles Mumps Rubella) - Merck & Co., Inc., West Point, PA.
ProQuad (Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Varicella) - Merck & Co., Inc., West Point, PA.

I'm certain he does not know

Certainly?  Are you Certain.  How certain are you?  100% Certain?

Baylock is kind of an idiot I wouldn't take too much of what he says seriously.  Many of the ideas he comes up with a) seem to come out of nowhere - for example where is HIS list of vaccine manufacturing locations? b) Have been refuted like his ideas about taking fish oil for the flu.

since his ONLY mentality is + vaccines are 100% safe!

Considering I've never said this, it's interesting that you're so bad at reading or bad at thinking that this is your conclusion.   Vaccines are not 100% safe - neither is remaining unvaccinated.  I do contend that vaccines are far safer than remaining unvaccinated.