Vaccinations; recent developments

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Come on man, talk science here...OK?  He KNOWS vaccines are dangerous...this is what you said...right?  Dangerous as compared to....what?  He has already said as much on the previous page.  He said...vaccines are not 100% safe BUT  (an important but) they are SAFER than not being vaccinated.  The science and numbers prove this.

In science, toxicity is about levels.  Danger, is about percentages.  Percentages backed up by real science and real studies.  How do you think the US eliminated all of those terrible diseases that are now coming back due to Obama's open boarders?  It was not by washing your hands...it was by vaccinations.  Nothing in this world is 100% safe.  If you read the studies on your chance of being injured taking a shower, you might decide to never shower again.  If you read a headline that says....2,000 people injured while showering.  That might scare you.  Until...you read and find out that was out of millions and millions of folks showering every day.  Once you have the real numbers, you can decide for yourself if you want to shower or not.  Just do not give up showering based on a headline or two.  Dig deeper.

Bill

Bill, how much deeper do you want me to dig?
It took me a few weeks to know a little but in the years after I have come to know a lot more, enough to write a book.
Remember I almost lost a child and I couldn't let go, I had to know the truth and when I found it the stench was enormous.
So again, how much deeper do you want me to dig?
The things you said in your post look a little bit silly and makes me very worried for the rest of humanity.
I am under the impression that it is you who has to dig a little deeper.
This is not a 1.7 times overunity transformer thread, nor is it about religion, this thread is a serious one and I have researched this subject in depth and then you start telling me I am wrong?
This subject is too serious to make fun of and sarkeizen knows better but he is here for an argument game, don't be fooled by him.

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It's (a corollary to)  Bayes rule. 

You are a silly obnoxious troll and showing your true colours.

[sarkeizen]

this thread is a serious one and I have researched this subject in depth

I seriously doubt that.  Every rebuttal I've given here is laden with information from the medical field.  I gave a blow-by blow of what's wrong with Wakefield's paper and how very suspicious the prominence he gave to MMR in it.  I analysed the article by the past Editor-in-Chief of the BMJ simply and showed that when you strip away the rhetoric you get one study from one researcher and not even the most accurate research from that person.

...and you post nothing. Sorry the evidence for your "in depth" research is simply non-existent.

You are a silly obnoxious troll and showing your true colours.

My true colours?  That I've forgotten more about math than you will ever learn?  I confess to that wholeheartedly.   The fact remains that when you privilege a hypothesis to the degree that you have done.  That the evidence is SO clear and SO easily obtainable.  The fact that the evidence doesn't show up has to count AGAINST the hypothesis.  This is a simple combination of Bayes rule and the law of total probability.

If you don't understand please just name call some more so I can be sure that's the problem.

[joel321]

Are you just being racist now?  China may well produce more vaccines than any other country but not for North America.  Probably much of China's stock goes to vaccinate people in China.  China does export vaccines to other countries like Africa - probably their yellow fever and typhoid vaccines are from China.  The only one I know of which is licensed for sale in the US is for Japanese encephalitis I don't know the brand name offhand but it was only approved last year.

I'm not being racist at all just stating that the only reason many companies move over seas is because of cheap labor for cheap products. I'm not saying that china does not make good products at all it is just a well know fact that most items that are cheap to make and cheap quality come from china due to their labor laws.

Why would they the over all vaccinations in china if not due to cheap labor and greater profit just like any other company knows.

Based on that mentality, I would cringe if I get injected where the vaccine bottle says "made in china". Not because I'm racist but because of the stigma that china carries regarding over all consumer products.

It is widely known that if you allow UNREGULATED functions, they would become more unregulated. Even where regulated things are regulated, some "bend" the rules. Now we can see this FACT in objects like a game consoles, smart phones, heck even smart TV's, or computers.

Many times the REGULATED game consoles get pushed out to meet the deadline when later the masses find out that the DVD drive fails, or the OS is not stable.

I remember when the iphone came out with a the "first generation" model with many bugs hardware/firmware "can you hear me now?" lol

Just recently in the lenovo computers that come with "Superfish" adware that can be dangerous. (google it)

Etc etc etc

So if we put one and two together we are not dealing with objects, we are dealing with HUMAN LIVES! Which should require the utmost REGULATION. I'm only taking the videos "word of mouth" that most vaccines are made from china (ahem, you mentioned that vaccines work due to word of mouth yourself before lol) but I highly believe that is not far fetched. Just have to look for the data.

Vaccines are not 100% safe

Did he just admit that? We are doing progress.

[sarkeizen]

I'm not being racist at all

Well probably a little.

just stating that the only reason many companies move over seas is because of cheap labor for cheap products. I'm not saying that china does not make good products at all it is just a well know fact that most items that are cheap to make and cheap quality come from china due to their labor laws.

So you're saying that poor quality comes from low priced labor?  It's the other way around goods where the market will bear lower quality  gravitate to cheaper labor.  It's kind of a racist or at least nationalist to believe that labor in the US at $75/hr is inherently better than someone who lives in an economy where $10/hr is a higher than average wage.  The highest paying jobs in China are about 80K CNY/yr which is something like $13K USD/yr.  Which is something like $7/hr based on 40 hr weeks.

Why would they the over all vaccinations in china if not due to cheap labor and greater profit just like any other company knows

Well as was pointed out to your sorry, entirely wrong and incredibly stupid ass.  Nobody over here has moved all vaccinations over to China.   Only one optional vaccination was licensed as of last year.  You would know this if you did any research as the pre-qualification by WHO was big news.

I'm only taking the videos "word of mouth" that most vaccines are made from china

If you want to be gullible that's your business.  I've already provided the locations which disprove your point.  The source for that is from the Journal Pediatrics except for the last two ProQuad and MMRII which came from publicly available FDA approval letters.

Did he just admit that? We are doing progress.

Dude.  You would have to be stupid not to see that I've said that from the beginning. Oh wait...