Vaccinations; recent developments

[joel321]

So in Africa there are protozoa which are resistant or partially resistant to an very specific anti-microbial called artemisinin.  If these parasites migrate to India we can expect a lot more deaths than in Africa because in Africa so many people have died of the disease there has been a selective pressure on people to develop some greater ability to survive the disease.  This "immunity" (not a very precise word) is in the form of an allele which causes other kinds of illness and death but short-term disease resistance.

Artemisinin is extracted from a plant to be used as a medicine for malaria from what I have read. From the article, south east Asia malaria is on the verge to mutate to become immune to artenisinin (only known vacine that can fight it in 2015). While in Africa, even though people still get sick, there are MORE positive results due to the human body immune system learning to cope with the virus with vaccination along with human  immunity. IOW, higher success rate due to human immune system fighting the virus along with the vaccination!

While this has very little to do with vaccination being effective and safe compared to being unvaccinated. You seem to want to stretch the analogy.  It's probably just as good a warning against remaining unvaccinated as anything else.  In this case you have a group of people dying - because Joel says so - and over time this selects for disease resistance however that resistance is a trade off making the population MORE SUSCEPTIBLE to longer term illness.

All I have being saying is that prevention is the ONLY KEY/CURE! You kind of believe that ignoring the prevention is NOTHING and vaccinations is the EVERYTHING. Which I kind of find as stupid. = The key to any cure is to get sick in the first place and then cure it with medicine?

The only purpose of vaccinations exist is as a last resort. The 100% cure to the known virus is prevention! NOT, getting cured after getting sick. That would be like teaching people, "i don't care if I crash cus I have insurance".

Also you still seem confused that vaccines are preventative measures.

You are stuck that vaccines ere the 100% cure! When it is 100% wrong. You are killing people by spreading that ideology. Viruses that get in to the body will never leave. Even with a vaccine...the immunity will only bitch slap it sort to speak. The carrier, even thought immune, will always carry the virus and will spread it around to others that their immune system have not fought the virus successfully.

Are you not smart enough to understand such simple things AND NOT ONLY THAT, a virus will mutate and the vaccine will become useless once the virus mutates in the future.

Prevention is the key not drugs.

[SeaMonkey]

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[sarkeizen]

Games intended to create an air of Superiority

It's simply not a game.  It's exactly what you would do when you judge any piece of data

Let your Desperation be your Guide.

Only scoring a 1 on the "SeaMonkey is desperate" scale.  You really should try harder.

[sarkeizen]

...and the affectation drops even more.

From the article, south east Asia malaria is on the verge to mutate

Let's see if I can phrase some of your text better: The article does not say "verge to mutate" anywhere.  Please say "from the article" when you are using a text from the article . Malaria is an infection by a protozoa.  There is already a variant which is resistant to artemisinin which is not a vaccine - it's a very specific anti-microbial and should only be used in conjunction with other therapies.  This resistance is not in Africa it's primarily in Cambodia.  However it has been detected in Myanmar - which is very close to India which is of high concern because of it's population density (421/sqkm).    Normally the medical conversation about artemisinin resistance centers around Africa because when drugs like chlorquinine became less useful - lots of people died in Africa.  This paper contends that India is a bigger risk than Africa because of a human allele which confers disease resistance.  However that is at the cost of being more likely to get sick later and that current attempts to contain resistant protozoa are not sufficient.  Artemisinin isn't the only drug but it is the more effective and most well-tolerated.

So this is not "human body is doing better than drugs in Africa".  African people are still being treated with artemisinin (and hopefully in concert with other drugs).  It's about being able to maintain a population density.  If you stop people taking artemisinin people will die at a higher rate lowering the overall population.  Eventually this will cause people to have less contact the r0 of the disease drops.  In concert with this will be anything nature can do to confer resistance - that is select for people who are more likely to be immune but that's by killing people who are not likely.   

All I have being saying

Dude you go off topic more than anyone I've ever met.  Hence you lose the right to say "all I have been saying".

is that prevention is the ONLY KEY/CURE!

Having spent some time in Africa in malaria affect I can tell you that people do use preventive methods - in fact for non-natives the most common preventative action is to take drugs.  For natives it's neither feasible to take the same medication that visitors do neither can they spend the whole day in a spacesuit.  The current infection rate is the result of prevention being insufficient to maintain the population

You kind of believe that ignoring the prevention is NOTHING and vaccinations is the EVERYTHING.

Something I've never said.  Even though you have stupidly claimed it many times. 

The only purpose of vaccinations exist is as a last resort.

Again as we learned in the recent ebola outbreak preventative measures are insufficient even when people are well equipped, highly-educated and have a lot to lose.  Most vaccines reduce the r0 by more than half.  Hence most vaccines are superior to preventative measures. 

The 100% cure to the known virus is prevention!

...and earlier you said that no preventative measure is 100% so you have contradicted yourself.  Congratulations.

You are stuck that vaccines ere the 100% cure! When it is 100% wrong.

They're not the cure, they are prevention and they harm almost nobody.  All evidence suggests that your way would create more corpses.  If that's what you want.  That's your business.

Viruses that get in to the body will never leave.

Not true.  A virus that can not replicate eventually discorporates.

The carrier, even thought immune, will always carry the virus and will spread it around to others that their immune system have not fought the virus successfully.

Nope.  Serology of someone who has been infected tends only to show antigens.  If viruses exist they eventually die and you don't shed them because they can't replicate.   

a virus will mutate and the vaccine will become useless once the virus mutates in the future.

Primary method of mutation is replication error.  People who use Joel methods will likely replicate more viruses and therefore Joel methods create more mutations.

Prevention is the key not drugs.

Vaccines and other drugs are prevention. Let me know when you figure this out.

[sarkeizen]

Actual vaccine news....sort of gene therapy to produce proteins which will coat most types if HIV virus.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150218073059.htm