Vaccinations; recent developments

[joel321]

So according to you my followers aren't confused at all.  I mean I know what I'm talking about, I make pretty clear posts and I'm happy to clarify any questions people have and I have set out pretty plainly what's required to change my mind and what's required to elicit a detailed analysis from me.
You on the other hand just write long, careless and deliberately poorly worded posts.  You never seem to check your facts and you almost never seem capable of correcting yourself.
I very much doubt there are many people following this thread for the medical advice. So I'm not that worried.

Yeah yeah yeah. You can say all you want but the evidence is there. From the roots or medicine, You FAIL to understand that ALL DRUGS ARE TOXIC, meaning. The mere fact that a drug is to kill cells, it could kill healthy cells too. Which means all drugs are cell killers. That what they do. They kill the cells that "medical" experts believe it's whats best for the individual. Drugs are only killers of human cells PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

ANd your stupidity fails to understand that simple fact.

I am the type of person that wants to get to the root of the problem while you are just the type of person that just wants to kill all cells that you deem dangerous.

Aside from that, LOL, you cannot be the best medicinal medicine guru in the world that when someone tries to tell you otherwise, you just use your bias judgement to stop anything that will go against your beliefs of your ignorance.

LOL, it is 100% facts that medicine does not cure anything over the long run. Medicine is just a cash cow and you will suffer the same fate. As your parents will = a pill cannot cure a pill.

Clearly wrong on both counts.  a) I've clearly stated what is required to change my mind and b) I clearly understand ID and research methodology better than you.

So tell me right now, what is the cure for diabetes? what pill?

Tell me right now, what pill is the cure for obesity?

Tell me right now what cure is for ADD?

Tell me right now what cure is for OCD?

Tell me right now what pill is the cure for depression?

Tell me right now what pill is the cure for internet addiction?

Tell me right now what pill is the cure for insomnia?

Go ahead? I'm sure you don't know shyt! lol but go ahead and tell us the pills to take for a 100% disease life!?

The point still is that you have not point at all. You just keep on living in your little fantasy as if you are an expert, heck, I'm sure a doctor whom is an expert has more common sense then you are here stuck in a forum trying to make yourself believe that you have a PHD that has saved lives!

With your propositions, how many lives do you think your beliefs will save a year? 

You still have not mentioned if you are a male nurse or a doctor that operates?

[joel321]

False dichotomy.

I simply interpreted the evidence that you provided. If you had read the paper you would have realized a few things that entirely undermine your post.  Since you did not realize these things you either did not read the paper OR you did not understand it.  So your opinion on this subject is worth less than shit.

Oh lets ask the expert of sark regarding the waves of light. He is an expert regarding everything. lol.

Think about it folks, this guy is going against everything because he is an expert at everything. Tomorrow i can come up with another study being done by another guy and sark will dismiss it because he is an expert at everything. what a bunch of BS!

So let us here what your FACTS are regarding the article?

lol, i'll like to read what the monkey has to say based on that!

I did look at the evidence.  The paper and your post.

Well, where the hell is your paper regarding anything your diarrhea mouth spits?

...says the person who is cool with people dying needlessly of measles because of some postulated effect that is so low in probability that it can not be observed in research.

says the person that has no cure for any disease. Your stupid ass does not realize that the drugs are toxic = bullets! They kill the cells while it even kills healthy cells. = side effects.

You believe that it is better to go careless and get the virus cause everything can be cures by medicine...you are the stupidest person in the world.

IT IS BETTER TO AVOID VIRUSES FROM THE START. NO MEDICINE CAN CURE ANYTHING...ONLY THE IMMUNITY DOES.

You are telling people = it is OK to get sick, medicine will cure you?

Sir, where do you work?

[sarkeizen]

You FAIL to understand that ALL DRUGS ARE TOXIC

Only in the sense that "all water is toxic".  Is that what you mean?

I am the type of person that wants to get to the root of the problem

I'm pretty sure that someone who is interested in the root of the problem doesn't only trust information that reaffirms their own prejudices.

LOL, it is 100% facts that medicine does not cure anything

Define "cure".  Whoops you can't can you.

You still have not mentioned if you are a male nurse or a doctor that operates?

You seem to think I'm a male nurse.  Which is interesting.

Think about it folks, this guy is going against everything because he is an expert at everything.

No, I'm saying that a particular paper is weak evidence because I know something about evaluating evidence.  You don't say that because you don't know jack about evaluating evidence.

Tomorrow i can come up with another study being done by another guy

Please do.  If you have read what I wrote - which you don't for some reason - I even said there are better papers.

So let us here what your FACTS are regarding the article?

The article references exactly one paper.  That paper isn't a study but a string of other papers attempting to make an argument for a particular mechanism and effects.  Most of those papers are either not strongly linked to the alleged cause or they propose a mechanism based on some tenuous proposition.  It's not a bad thing but anyone who understands a little math would realize that what it's proposing is weak.  On top of that it's not really supporting the same mechanism you are claiming.

Well, where the hell is your paper

You said that I came to a judgement without evidence.  I showed you that I reviewed the evidence.

IT IS BETTER TO AVOID VIRUSES FROM THE START.

Evidence suggests that when vaccines are available attempts to avoid viruses through other means are not nearly as successful in most cases.

Sir, where do you work?

At a job.  How is high-school treating you?

[sarkeizen]

So Joel, SeaMonkey, Magluvin, Tink here's a good example about what I mean concerning evaluating evidence.  Have a go at this: http://imr.sagepub.com/content/32/2/132.full.pdf

It has nothing to do with vaccines or anything we've been talking about it's about treating influenza with elderberry extract.  Read the study, then post why you think it's good or bad.  I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

[Pirate88179]

Joel:

You are saying that no pill or medicine ever cured anything?  Do you really believe this?

OK, so, you have been diagnosed with a case of worms.  (there are a lot of those here in KY as most do not wear shoes)  So, your Dr. gives you 1 simple pill that kills the worms and you pass them.  Now, you no longer have worms.  Is this not a "cure' in your opinion?

You spray for your jock itch problem.  (tinea cruris)  After several application of this medicine, suddenly this form of ringworm is dead and you no longer have jock itch.  Were you not just cured?

I mean, please be real.  There are indeed medications that actually do cure a problem.  If you do not want to believe this then, I can't help that.  Are you the type person that would rather have worms than "risk" taking the medication that can kill them instantly?  If so, I feel bad for you.

You need to look up risk management and also study some statistical analysis in order to help you make better decisions.

An Airbus just flew into a mountain today, killing all on board.  Does this mean you would never fly?  Even if that made you more than 1,000 times more likely to get killed on your trip?  See what I mean?

Bill