Vaccinations; recent developments

[joel321]

You are saying that no pill or medicine ever cured anything?  Do you really believe this?

It may sound wrong for you but you have to understand how medicine works. Medicine just tries to help the immunity. It does that by killing the tissue. Like I already mentioned, how to removed tattoos, the laser kills the cells that hold the ink, so the white blood cells can take the metal ink particles to the liver and then you either shit it out or piss it out.

Now I do believe in pills as a last resort. Like if you are at war and step on a land mine, if you don't stop the bleeding and prevent infection, most likely than not, you will die, BUT you will still end up with an amputation IF your medical assistants stop the bleeding and the risk of infection. At that point the stopping the bleeding becomes the HIGHEST priority than the infection. blah blah blah.

So the pills are the last resorts because they kill healthy cells too. A better prevention is to not step on the land mine in the first place. NOT step on the land mine and expect to live.

OK, so, you have been diagnosed with a case of worms.  (there are a lot of those here in KY as most do not wear shoes)  So, your Dr. gives you 1 simple pill that kills the worms and you pass them.  Now, you no longer have worms.  Is this not a "cure' in your opinion?

Yes that's a last resort cure to help the body immunity to fight off the worm. What is the death rate for worms there? Also, why don't they wear shoes there? Is it because of that guy from dual survivor or poverty? I find it hard to believe that if you can afford clothes, you cannot afford shoes?

At any rate, I believe in medicine just because the body heals itself up to a point. The medicine Just helps the body heal itself...the medicine is just a helper for the immunity. ONLY!

You spray for your jock itch problem.  (tinea cruris)  After several application of this medicine, suddenly this form of ringworm is dead and you no longer have jock itch.  Were you not just cured?

Well you could live with it the rest of your life. And second, that's nasty! These are the steps:

1- Someone got the worm.
2- Someone figured out how the worm got there in the first place.
3- Someone made a medicine to help the immune system fight it.

If in today's year and age 2015 someone continues to get that worm, they are not educated ennough in how things have been figures out from step two since a long time ago.

Prevention is always better than to live with an amputated limb.

I mean, please be real.  There are indeed medications that actually do cure a problem.  If you do not want to believe this then, I can't help that.  Are you the type person that would rather have worms than "risk" taking the medication that can kill them instantly?  If so, I feel bad for you.

I understand what you are saying, but can you tell me why I don't have worms and someone else does?

Is it because of magic?

Bad luck?

A black cat walked in front of you?

etc.

An Airbus just flew into a mountain today, killing all on board.  Does this mean you would never fly?  Even if that made you more than 1,000 times more likely to get killed on your trip?  See what I mean?

This does not relate to human immunity, this mostly relates to human error. Which, it favors mostly on the side of medicine,= a human made pill is a Airbus that kills people SLOWLY into a mountain....the key word is SLOWLY because no one is actually doing studies about the long term SIDE EFFECTS because you need money to conduct studies. Plain and simple.

Who is funding the smoke related illnesses? The commercials about "truth" regarding smoke illnesses are founded by tobacco companies...lol...now why do you think that is and what other studies are funded by their own, whats the word, company I guess?

I do believe in medicine as a last resort, not as a sort of thing the body needs everyday like breathing air or eating food.

[sarkeizen]

Medicine just tries to help the immunity.

So medicine can't help someone who is immunocompromized?  They just die instantly?  Sounds like you didn't do any research.  In other words you sound like you.

It does that by killing the tissue.

The mechanism for some medicine is to destroy tissue but not all and some medicine is highly selective - that is it almost never kills tissue that is healthy and some is considerably less selective.  However again the same could be said for water.  Water in sufficient quantities will still destroy tissue.  However like water, medicine is applied in situations where the alternative involves an outcome which is considerably less desirable.

Now I do believe in pills as a last resort.

So they do cure people or not.  This conversation would be easier if you just (usefully) defined "cure" but since you would lose the argument.  I can see why you wouldn't.

So please stop trying so very hard to be stupid.   If possible.

[sarkeizen]

Normally I'm not prone to SeaMonkey style imagespam but this was pretty on the money...

[joel321]

So medicine can't help someone who is immunocompromized?  They just die instantly?  Sounds like you didn't do any research.  In other words you sound like you.

I already told you medicine is a LAST RESORT for survival. It is not the someone needs as MANDATORY for life.

What you are talking about here is "born defects". Some people are born with a third nipple, some with an extra limb, some with the inability to feel pain, some with a weak immunity....and so on. These kind of people need more attention than the rest, but now medicine will cure them?

How can you cure a weak born immunity with pills?

The answer to that is:

First diagnose the person as being born with a weak immune system.

Then tell the person to wear a mask with a micron filter. Always carry a disinfectant that kills all viruses upon contact. If there is a minor cut, pour the emergency liquid on the wound ASAP and cover it. IOW, they need WAYYYYY more PREVENTATIVE measures than those that drop food on the floor and pick it up and eat it like babies do and will. (maybe some adults do that too? lol)

SO to answer your question, medicine is a toxic killer to help to kill the virus when it gets in, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THE MEDICINE WILL GIVE THE PERSON IMMUNITY?

If yes, what type of medicine is that?

The mechanism for some medicine is to destroy tissue but not all and some medicine is highly selective - that is it almost never kills tissue that is healthy and some is considerably less selective.

You are not understanding the roots of medicine.

-a tattoo laser remover KILLS the upper skin cells.
-a flue shot kills the virus.
-head and shoulder kills the upper layer of the skin.
-anti-perspirant kills the sweat ducts so they can stop sweating. (plug them with microscopic aluminum)
-any type of flesh easting bacteria, the drug kills the bacteria along with healthy tissue...if that does not work, cut away the rotten flesh.
-JB weld is not healthy on a wounded machine. lol

NOW

There is no cure for the flu virus.
There is no cure for depression.
There is no cure for OCD.
There is no cure for ADD.
There is no cure for obesity.
There is no cure for insomnia.
There is no cure for dandruff.
There is no cure for boneloss.
There is no cure for drug addiction. (in fact, taking medicinal drugs promotes more drug addiction)
There is no cure for internet addiction.
There is no cure for sexual addiction.

And the list goes on and on....since you are trying to make MANDATORY vaccines, how come there are no mandatory cures for the rest of the illnesses?

Instead of believing that you have figured everything out and all high and mighty, why don't you admit that you know very little?

So they do cure people or not.  This conversation would be easier if you just (usefully) defined "cure" but since you would lose the argument.  I can see why you wouldn't.

By the same token, you have to define how DRUGS "cure" people?

Like my analogy of someone stepping on a land mine, the cure is a person surviving with both legs missing?

The "cure" for a flue shot is to take a flue shot ever year?

The cure for small boobs is plastic surgery to give Pamela Anderson bigger boobs?

[sarkeizen]

I already told you medicine is a LAST RESORT for survival. It is not the someone needs as MANDATORY for life.

Except that I'm talking about what you said here (and I quoted this part but you ignored it because you are stupid or perhaps so you can whine about not quoting en toto).

Medicine just tries to help the immunity.

If that's ONLY the way medicine works then someone who is immunocompromised can never be cured of an infection and since their immune system is either not working or severely impaired they would surely die or have severe consequences.   Yet immunocompromised patients do appear to be able to recover from infections when given medication.  So either you have to believe that medicine *CURES* the infection or some other magical thing happens which you haven't described yet.

Let me know when you figure out what you are saying.  I'm sure it will take a long time

What you are talking about here is "born defects".

Nope.  I'm talking about being immunocompromised.

You are not understanding the roots of medicine.

No, I'm pretty sure I understand it better than you.

Instead of believing that you have figured everything out and all high and mighty

The only person here pretending they have everything figured out is you.   Remember you were the one boasting and boasting and boasting and boasting and boasting about how easily you could learn anything I know.  Yet you are still afraid to even MENTION that you are too afraid to play a simple game with me.   I'm the one patiently pointing out your mistakes even when you can't bring yourself to admit them.

Also you appear to be avoiding my question about "all medicine is toxic".  Is that the same as "all water is toxic"?