Vaccinations; recent developments

[sarkeizen]

I'll just leave this here...

[joel321]

^You don't realize that what ever study you are doing does not mean that you know EVERYTHING regarding all medicine. You fail that miserably. I don't know why are you so scared to show what is your major in the medical field? But no matter what it is, you are not the EXPERT IN ALL MEDICINAL. There are way more greater medical thinkers than you sir based on the way you express yourself. It is what it is and has already been painfully shown.

You find it quick and fast to just ignore links to articles quick. As, if you are in greater intelligence than the researcher that did the study! That is some kind of ignorant mentality. As you are saying that you are 100% over everything and everyone else that goes against you is 100% wrong just because we go against you. You don't show any proof nor your PHD, you are just an anonymous mouse so everything that you say is just not that important.

At any rate, if you are the know-it-all that medicine cure, why have you not answered to me the following?

There is no cure for the flu virus.
There is no cure for depression.
There is no cure for OCD.
There is no cure for ADD.
There is no cure for obesity.
There is no cure for insomnia.
There is no cure for dandruff.
There is no cure for bone-loss.
There is no cure for drug addiction. (in fact, taking medicinal drugs promotes more drug addiction)
There is no cure for internet addiction.
There is no cure for sexual addiction.

]EDIT: By the "no cure" I mean with drugs. There are cures for all naturally. Sorry if I was not being clear.

And the list is bigger, those are just out of the top of my head. For every action there is an equal an opposite reaction? Which means, for the drugs to kill a virus, they will kill other healthy cells in the body in order to combat the illness. There is no way to TARGET the virus 100% dead center. And this is pretty obvious by me that I find it hard for an EXPERT to not understand. This means that there will always be a negative effect to the medicine and one needs to outweigh the risks....

You have not even mentioned anything about any medicine curing anything?

You did not even speak anything about why you think that artificial light does not harm people. You didn't even show anything why that may be bogus, you just bluntly say NO! As if just by saying NO, the study becomes false..lol.

You are just an "expert" joke sir.

The only one backing you up to this point is the guy that JB welds metal. lol

It is the same proses that goes on and on.

1-First acquire a virus from an infected person.
2-Try to "reverse" engineer it and come up with a trial vaccine.
3-Experiment with lab animals like monkeys and rats for a cure.
4-Get the trial vaccine in volunteers/inmates/those that have the virus. 
5-The human survived but the vaccinator does not know the long term ill effects. Nor there is enough test study to know how harmful the vaccine is in the long run!!

Prevention is always the ONLY cure (how does the virus get in the body in the first place and why is the virus living there in the first place). While vaccinations are the last resort. i.e. you get sick (believing that a medicine has you covered = careless prevention), get a second ticket to life today with drugs even if half of you immunity is take away from you. Prevention is always better than medicine.

Do you even understand where the flu virus comes from? I mean, from where is it born and how does the first human gets it during winder in the first place and then spread it around tot he rest?

Do you even know how the flu virus enters the body in the first place sir? Please explain your expertness!

Also, please explain how the Ebola virus started?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/7efc0f1ffb4ec15dae112782e935cba6.htm

[joel321]

At this point, sark has shown his true colors with out a doubt.

The best advice I've read so far was from Farmhand.... way more beneficial than the crap that comes out of sark and his creepy smiley faces.

Farmhand:

To be safer get information about the exact vaccine you are considering or are being forced to take, if it was me I would steer clear of any live virus vaccinations or any vaccinations from multi-dose vials, also reject any vaccinations containing Aluminium
or the old mercury based Thiomersal which is or was basically a preservative made from mercury to prevent all the proteins derived from monkey brains and all kinds of other nice stuff from going off in the multi-dose vials.

A lot of vaccines are unnecessary and some vaccinated people can spread the disease. If it were not for vaccines some of the diseases vaccinated for would be extinct.

Many of the diseases vaccinated for were in decline when vaccinations were introduced and this perpetuates the disease keeping it widespread indefinitely.

Like almost anything, a basically good thing (Vaccination) which can be done naturally has become the cash cow of the big pharma
and they of course are mixing in a lot of money spinning vaccines with the spiel that all vaccines are safe and necessary.

When in reality only some are important and most are harmful but unnecessary or even just perpetuate the disease.

The argument that un-vaccinated children are a risk to vaccinated children does not even make sense as the vaccination is supposed to protect them, the reality is the opposite the vaccinated children are a danger to the un-vaccinated ones and should be quarantined until they are no longer a threat to un-vaccinated children and adults as well.

They want the un-vaccinated children to be excluded so that it does not become apparent that the vaccinated children are speading some of the diseases to the un-vaccinated children.

If a vaccinated child passed a disease to an un-vaccinated child I would see that as an breach of common law and people should be liable for damages and/or criminal prosecution.

Fight for your right to not be vaccinated and also fight for vaccinated children to be separated from the vaccinated ones in the same way they fight to have the vaccinated children excluded, people should fight the opposite fight to have the vaccinated children excluded from interacting with un-vaccinated children.

The forced or "pushed vaccinations" should only be a very few. And with no evidence of any harm being caused by them.

Many diseases were in decline when the vaccine for them was introduced and this prevented the extinction of the diseases. This meant they could sell vaccines for those diseases for ever and make them compulsory and routine and a base money spinner for big pharma.

Ask the doctor for an ingredients list for the vaccine, if they cannot provide it then refuse the vaccine. We at least have the right to a full ingredients list and where the ingredients were derived from before being injected with the vaccine. That's a given, they cannot argue that.

If most people actually saw the list of ingredients and what they are made from they would likely refuse to allow vaccination of their children.

Get the list or just let them inject you with a bunch of stuff that probably half or more of the doctors don't even know what they contain.

If your doctor cannot tell you exactly what is in the vaccine then that doctor is uninformed and should not be injecting people with stuff when they don't even know what it contains. That sounds criminal to me.

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We should be trying to eradicate the old real bad diseases as some were, not perpetuate them for profit.

[joel321]

Also noticed how he just blatantly ignored the rise of heart diseases. NO pepe came from that mouse regarding that cheese. Not even  squeak. But yet he is the know-it-all regarding health!lol

[sarkeizen]

^You don't realize that what ever study you are doing does not mean that you know EVERYTHING regarding all medicine.

The graphic is pointing out that people like you, SeaMonkey, Magluvin talk about "research" but what you do is small and poor compared to people who actually do research.

I don't know why are you so scared to show what is your major in the medical field?

I thought you said you were 100% certain that I was a nurse.

you are not the EXPERT IN ALL MEDICINAL.

You keep accusing me of this and I keep telling you the same thing.  I'm not an expert in all of medicine.  I'm simply far more well-read than you are and probably more than you ever will be - I'm basing that on how easily you accept ideas that are part of your prejudices and how much you fight even the most obvious facts (like vaccinations are preventative and that vaccines protect against a serotype not a strain).

There are way more greater medical thinkers than you sir

Again I've never said otherwise.  You sadly, are simply not numbered among them.

You find it quick and fast to just ignore links to articles quick.

Which articles? Whoops you won't say.  You'll just bounce over to something else to whine about.

As, if you are in greater intelligence than the researcher that did the study!

Which study?  Whooops.  You won't say. 

As you are saying that you are 100% over everything and everyone else

Nope.  I've actually said the opposite many times...but you would have to read what I write to see that.

You don't show any proof

Proof of what?  Whoops.  You won't say that either.    Is there anything you talk about that you can put in useful terms?  Probably not because those arguments you lose.  It's always safer for you to just make things up and then don't explain them.

At any rate, if you are the know-it-all that medicine cure, why have you not answered to me the following?

Because that's not an English sentence.

There is no cure for...

Until you define "cure" the questions are meaningless.  

for the drugs to kill a virus, they will kill other healthy cells in the body in order to combat the illness. There is no way to TARGET the virus 100% dead center.

Well a) Not all illnesses are viral, b) not all medicines operate by killing cells and c) 100% is irrelevant. 

As I've said you kill cells when you drink water, play sports.  So.....

This means that there will always be a negative effect to the medicine and one needs to outweigh the risks....

In the same sense that there is always a negative effect in drinking water....or anything

You have not even mentioned anything about any medicine curing anything?

Actually I have but you don't read my posts.   

You did not even speak anything about why you think that artificial light does not harm people.

Yawn.  So?  Oh wait...you didn't read the paper did you?  So a) The paper does not support the thesis you just wrote and b) The thesis it DOES support it only provides weak evidence for I explained why I considered the evidence weak but you didn't read it or you didn't understand but you can't bring yourself to ask what I meant.

You didn't even show anything why that may be bogus

I did.  You just have your fingers in your ears.

As if just by saying NO, the study becomes false.

I think I'm going to start calling these comments by you "joel" because it's almost synonymous with wrong.  So that is very Joel of you Joel.

2-Try to "reverse" engineer it and come up with a trial vaccine.

That's a pretty Joel (wrong) think to say!

The human survived but the vaccinator does not know the long term ill effects.

Actually you can and I've explained this but when are you ever going to listen.

Nor there is enough test study to know how harmful the vaccine is in the long run!!

Again, already refuted...let me know when you take your fingers out.

Prevention is always the ONLY cure

In English "prevention" is the opposite of a "Cure".  People who have a disease are cured people who did not get the disease have "prevented" it.  Vaccines are preventative and when it comes to vaccines we know that prevention attempts are almost always less effective (in areas with modern population densities) than vaccination.   The ebola outbreak was an example of this people who have done far more than any Joel could ever do to prevent the disease only reduced the R0 by half.

Do you even understand where the flu virus comes from? I mean, from where is it born

Last time I asked you to define "born" you talked about vaginas and I mentioned that viruses don't have those organs and then you put your fingers in your ears again.

and how does the first human gets it during winder in the first place and then spread it around tot he rest?

Winder?

Also, please explain how the Ebola virus started?

Sorry no "started' or 'born' questions until you start speaking English.