Vaccinations; recent developments

[joel321]

If you had a real argument we would have heard it a long time ago.  So I think I'll just keep a list called:

Have you ever had a conversation with a real human face to face?

How does that prosses go?

Lets say you are having a conversation with your mechanic. Your car broke down and needs repairing. You take it to the mechanic because you want it fixed. Tehn the mechanic fixes it for you and you are on your way.

How did that conversation go for you and the mechanic?

You want your car to get fixed right? No doubt! BUT! that means that you are not the expert about everything. There are people that know way more than you do and the ONLY way you answer is like you know everything where there is nothing else to know. That basically makes you believe that there is nothing else to be learned.

How do the conversations got with people such as:

-computers techs.
-mechanics.
-broaker.
-banks.
-IRS.
-LCD TV technician.
-architecture.
-HVAC technician.
-gun expert.
-house decorator.
-etc etc etc.

How do your conversations in real life go with them?

Do you disect everything day say and then smile like a clown?

You have the mentality of a lawyer, where you will always argue even when you are wrong!

Reagarding the rest...ptfff!

ii) How vaccines are preventative - using the English definition of the term

Been there done that, by now you have said this about 10 times at least!. = not smart!

iii) Your definition of "cure".

Been there done that, by now you have said this about 10 times at least!. = not smart!

iv) Being afraid to play go against me

Dude I already heard this over ten times. You and your little stupid game. What if you beat me? It will not change how vaccinations work! = you need to feel that you are wining all of the time to feel like you are correct. Which is some type of mental issue you have based on your parents forcing you to be better all of the time...= you where never good enough. Meh!

v) Talking about you being afraid to play go against me.

Isn't this the same as iv? lol

vi) Are immunocompromised people *cured* from infections by medicine?

The being born people with weak immunity will not gain normal 100% immunity from medicine. Yawn!

vii) Not all medicine's mechanism is lysis - so not all medicine is about killing cells.  So your "roots of medicine" is wrong.

Where are your studies or references?

viii) How the paper about artificial light isn't actually about it harming you in and of itself.

Did you even read the article. Let me see you quote the article and respond by using your brain instead of giving lazy answer that any monkey can say....iiihh iiiihhh gaaaa gaaaa.

ix) How the paper's evidence is weak and that's ok.

English please!

x) How you evaluate evidence.

English please!

xi) What his "born" or "comes from" questions mean in English.

I saw this coming 1000 miles away, that is getting olddd and makes you look like a broken idiot record. Meh!

xii) What commentary he wants about various charts and articles.

Ignore the rest but lest hear you talk about the rise of heart disease? Dumbo!

xiii) How he was wrong about me knowing where vaccines are made.

From where di you get your resources? I'm not 100% unless you show facts!

xiv) How he was wrong about most vaccines (in North America) being made in China

I am not wrong yet because you never showed any facts! So you cannot claim voctory yet.

There's probably more.  Since Joel is just a looped tape of nonsense I'm sure we will collect the whole set in a few days.

No matter what you say it only shows that you are only speaking spout yourself. = one dimmensional. What I speak is 3D. = I don't only care about my health but the health of my brothers, sisters, moms, and dads. As jesus died in the cross, he set an example for decades till the future.

You are only being closed minded thinking about yourself plain and simple.

Are you a lawyer, or a retired lawyer?

[sarkeizen]

that means that you are not the expert about everything.

A point I've conceded many times.  I simply maintain that within the things you have discussed I know considerably more than you.  It's really not that unlikely you are pretty exceptionally stupid in the area of medicine.

So let's continue with Things Joel refuses to talk about because he is so afraid of being wrong
ii) How vaccines are preventative - using the English definition of the term

by now you have said this about 10 times at least!.

...because it's true.  Vaccines prevent specific illness, so they are preventative medicine.  Just like putting on hazmat gear.  So again you refuse to talk about about this because you don't want to admit you're wrong.
iii) Your definition of "cure".

Been there done that, by now you have said this about 10 times at least!.

...and you keep not providing a useful definition of the term but then keep demanding that medicine "cure" things.  Again you refuse to discuss this because you don't want to be wrong.  As soon as you define the term it will either be easy to show that your definition is inconsistent or that your position is wrong.
iv) Being afraid to play go against me

What if you beat me? It will not change how vaccinations work! = you need to feel that you are wining all of the time to feel like you are correct.

No not at all.  However YOU made the challenge that ANYTHING I can do you can easily be as good or better.  This is an easy way to definitively test that but of course you don't want that because you don't want to be wrong (again!).
v) Talking about you being afraid to play go against me.

Isn't this the same as iv? lol

No you are both scared to talk ABOUT not wanting to play and AFRAID to play.  Two different issues.
vi) Are immunocompromised people *cured* from infections by medicine?

The being born people with weak immunity

Nope.  Immunocompromised is not the same as being born with weak immunity.  

will not gain normal 100% immunity

Awesome.  See the discussion is about "You are afraid to discuss that medicine does cure illness in the immunocompromised" and you just illustrated that perfectly because right there, in that sentence you showed that you are completely UNABLE to talk about the point.  You had to switch to a different point.

Thanks for pretty much conceding there.
vii) Not all medicine's mechanism is lysis - so not all medicine is about killing cells.  So your "roots of medicine" is wrong.

Where are your studies or references?

So your claim is that there is NOT ONE medication that who's primary mechanism is NOT to kill cells.  Please agree to exactly what I just said and we'll continue the conversation.  More likely you're so afraid of being wrong that you'll just ignore this or dance around it.
viii) How the paper about artificial light isn't actually about it harming you in and of itself.[/q]

Did you even read the article.

Yep.  I also read the research it was based on.  You didn't. If I was wrong you could easily cite the paper and show me where I'm wrong but you can't.  Isn't that interesting? You'll probably just keep ignoring this because again you're kind of afraid of being wrong.
ix) How the paper's evidence is weak and that's ok.

English please!

The paper has, at best weak evidence and that is ok.  Some research is speculative, some research journals are almost entirely speculative (Physical Review D. for example).  Some research is just to "bring the question to the table".  Sadly, a lot of papers like that are more CV padding than anything else.  If you had read the paper this would be obvious.  You didn't, so it isn't.
x) How you evaluate evidence.

English please!

It's simple.   Explain how you differentiate weak evidence from strong evidence bet you can't.
xi) What his "born" or "comes from" questions mean in English.

I saw this coming 1000 miles away, that is getting olddd and makes you look like a broken idiot record.

You still haven't answered this without mentioning vaginas.
xii) What commentary he wants about various charts and articles.

Ignore the rest but lest hear you talk about the rise of heart disease?

What do you want to talk about concerning heart disease rates?  It's actually a pretty broad topic.  Didn't you know that?
xiii) How he was wrong about me knowing where vaccines are made.[/b[

From where di you get your resources?

Already told you within a day of me responding with the list of manufacturing facilities but why would you ever read anything that was contrary to your stupid beliefs?

I'm not 100%

...stupid?  No but you are so close it's kind of fun to watch you flail about.
xiv) How he was wrong about most vaccines (in North America) being made in China

I am not wrong

Irony->Yes, yes nothing is facts except what YOU read Joel.  Your interpretation of things can't possibly be hampered by how stupid you are.   Just keep thinking that way and you will learn absolutely nothing.  Which will make you far more entertaining for everyone smarter than you.

No matter what you say it only shows that you are only speaking spout yourself.

No I'm speaking about you.  Just working to help you learn that you are a moron.  The sooner you learn that you are so catastrophically stupid about the things you are talking about here.  The sooner you will give up your moronic ideas about medicine. When I do that, I'll move on to the next moron. 

You are only being closed minded

Nope, that's you and only you.  All you do is look for things that already AGREE WITH YOU.  By contrast I am here BEGGING for people to provide contrasting information of HIGH quality.  See the difference?  No?  Didn't think so.

Are you a lawyer, or a retired lawyer?

You were 100% certain I was a male nurse?  Now what?

[joel321]

A point I've conceded many times.  I simply maintain that within the things you have discussed I know considerably more than you.  It's really not that unlikely you are pretty exceptionally stupid in the area of medicine.

You are living in your own little bubble world as you said that getting the flu shot prevents the flu more than the infected person coughing/sneezing inside his/her t-shirt. Yeah buddy! You know more than me. And NOT ONLY THAT to this day and time, you still claim that taking medicine for viruses is way better than preventing the virus from entering the body in the first place = yeah you are very very intelligent. lol

...because it's true.  Vaccines prevent specific illness, so they are preventative medicine.  Just like putting on hazmat gear.  So again you refuse to talk about about this because you don't want to admit you're wrong.

I already told you, as others, that vaccinations do work a certain extent. = you still have those side effects one needs to deal with. Like I told you, I step on a land mine. I loose both legs. In a natural evolution life, I would be dead, but in a medicinal world, I can live with no legs and spend the rest of my life working with out legs trying to pay my medical bills.

That is clear as bottled water. What you fail to understand is those SIDE EFFECTS!

Just the simple FACT about the flu virus vaccine. The nasal vaccine contains the virus strain more "alive" than the saringe flu shot. Both have their cons and pros. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU ARE INJECTED WITH A FLU VIRUS. So it is really not a cure by the doctors but more like THEY INJECT THE VIRUS IN YOUR BODY!

So vaccines cary the virus genetic code that is being injected in your body.

This is very simple to understand by me and i'm not even a doctor.

1- inject the virus in a monkey with one gene removed. Lets see what happens = monkey died. Inject another monkey with the same but lets take out another gene. Ok, monkey died also. Rinse and repeat. <---this is what really works AND I BELIEVE IN! wHAT i DON'T BELIEVE IN IS THOSE IMMUNITY ENHANCERS!

But whatever, your stupid mind just want to be right about whatever you say. lol. You have ZERO intelligence what so ever even if you where to write a 500 page book. The end point would still be the same. MEK=H!

...and you keep not providing a useful definition of the term but then keep demanding that medicine "cure" things.  Again you refuse to discuss this because you don't want to be wrong.  As soon as you define the term it will either be easy to show that your definition is inconsistent or that your position is wrong.

Oh, you still want to play that stupid online game you been bitching about lol. As if you winning would make you more intelligent in the medical world. What a dumbo. That is very little kids comparing, "i can piss father than you!", sark "No!, I can piss farther than you"...lol Childs play! I'm amazed why this "expert" does not see that? Maybe because he is ill in the main-brain. lol

No not at all.  However YOU made the challenge that ANYTHING I can do you can easily be as good or better.  This is an easy way to definitively test that but of course you don't want that because you don't want to be wrong (again!).

Well is true. lol I just don't want you to cry when I beat you. But it says a lot why you are stuck in that game. lol I don't really want to bother with it because the way you type your "evidence" and the way you express yourself, is already enough evidence that you have brain autism.

No not at all.  However YOU made the challenge that ANYTHING I can do you can easily be as good or better.  This is an easy way to definitively test that but of course you don't want that because you don't want to be wrong (again!).

Your brain abilities to look in to the future are weak and not worth arguing about.

Tell me the scenario it will be if I beat you in stupid game?

Tell me the scenario it will be if you beat me in your stupid game?

Now we have to play many because I have to win eventually.

So you beat me because you have been playing that game over many years, you feel cocky that you can beat everyone...as a MATER OF FACT, SHOW  YOUR SCORE REGARDING OTHER PLAYERS? I epxect for you to be in fisrt place! lol

Immunocompromised is not the same as being born with weak immunity.  

Instead of giving that stupid smiley face, why don't you expand further on your claims!

Awesome.  See the discussion is about "You are afraid to discuss that medicine does cure illness in the immunocompromised" and you just illustrated that perfectly because right there, in that sentence you showed that you are completely UNABLE to talk about the point.  You had to switch to a different point.

Well it also depends on my language. If your stupid ass brain keeps on saying that I should speak ENGLISH, what makes you think that I was 100% converting my mental neuron movement to 100% ENGLISH fluently!

My point was/is that there is NO pill NO vaccination that is 100% effective FOR EVERYONE!

I already asked you the cure for the following:

There is no cure for the flu virus.
There is no cure for depression.
There is no cure for OCD.
There is no cure for ADD.
There is no cure for obesity.
There is no cure for insomnia.
There is no cure for dandruff.
There is no cure for bone-loss.
There is no cure for drug addiction. (in fact, taking medicinal drugs promotes more drug addiction)
There is no cure for internet addiction.
There is no cure for sexual addiction.

And your stupid self did not mentined any prescriptions! lol

The rest of your answers are crap (like they have always being) when I take the time to read them....look at this dumbo

What do you want to talk about concerning heart disease rates?  It's actually a pretty broad topic.  Didn't you know that?

The dumb ass says that heart disease cannot be put in a graph because is to broad! lol Since in order to see heart disease, one needs to put it in a graph to understand it. lol

I showed the graph about heart disease made by others that are keeping track and this guy is trying to say that the graph does not exist because heart disease is very broad! lol....what does that mean? = blinded by ego = psychotic mind.

Nuff said. lol

[sarkeizen]

You

Hold on a second you were absolutely wrong once again and you don't admit it?  You claimed that I think "I am the expert about everything." and every time you've said something stupid like this I've agreed that I am not "the expert on everything" and you can never say you were wrong for thinking that.  Seems like you're the one with the problem here.

you said that getting the flu shot prevents the flu more than the infected person coughing/sneezing inside his/her teacher.

I have no idea what that means in English.  I've never discussed sneezing inside (or outside) peoples teachers.

you still claim that taking medicine for viruses is way better than preventing the virus from entering the body in the first place

Probably not, but as usual your problem is that you don't want to use words the same way they are used in medical science.  Vaccines are medicine but not all medicine treats all diseases equally.  Vaccines are as born out by the ebola outbreak are generally the best preventative measure.

I already told you, as others, that vaccinations do work a certain extent

Not the question you were asked.  The question was about vaccines PREVENTING disease.  Are they preventative measures.  If they do PREVENT disease then please say: "Yes they prevent disease".   Clearly in every normal English usage of the term they would be considered this but as you are incapable of self-criticism you are not capable of admitting this.

That is clear as bottled water. What you fail to understand is those SIDE EFFECTS!

For the vaccines that we give the majority of people, for the vast majority of those who get them there are no measurable side effects.  The most significant is GBS anything else has to be far more rare than GBS otherwise it would show up in epidemiology. 

But whatever, your stupid mind just want to be right about whatever you say.

The only person claiming they are right about everything and is unwilling to entertain contrary evidence is you.

Oh, you still want to play that stupid online game you been bitching about lol. As if you winning would make you more intelligent in the medical world.

Just so people can see how stupid you are.  I'll just re-quote the paragraph you are responding to:

...and you keep not providing a useful definition of the term but then keep demanding that medicine "cure" things.  Again you refuse to discuss this because you don't want to be wrong.  As soon as you define the term it will either be easy to show that your definition is inconsistent or that your position is wrong.

Notice it has nothing to do with playing a game.  It's that you keep demanding we talk about "cures" but you keep refusing to define the term and keep misusing medical terms.    Anyway back to games...Again it was YOU AND ONLY YOU who said that you could be equal to or better than me in anything intellectual.  Are you saying that's not true now?

Well is true.

The challenge won't go away but I suppose making up excuses is easier....

lol I just don't want you to cry when I beat you.

Oh there's an excuse.

I don't really want to bother with it because the way you type your "evidence"

Oh there's another excuse.

Your brain abilities to look in to the future are weak and not worth arguing about.

..and another excuse.

Tell me the scenario it will be if I beat you in stupid game?

Then your opinion that you are equal to or better than me in anything intellectual would be supported.

Now we have to play many because I have to win eventually.

Three games should suffice but if you want to play more there's room for discussion.  Also you don't have to win eventually.  It's not about luck.

So you beat me because you have been playing that game over many years,

...and because you are not my intellectual better in everything   Which would make you wrong about this thing you boast about but never can seem to put your money where your mouth is.

you feel cocky that you can beat everyone.

Definitely not.  The reason I chose this is that it is a pure intellectual skill, it is easy to play over the internet, the results are entirely unambiguous and it can be arranged so that the results are public and so it's hard for you to cheat.

Instead of giving that stupid smiley face, why don't you expand further on your claims!

It's not a claim.  It's just the definition of a term.  Someone who is immunocompromised is not the same as someone who was born with a weak immune system.  Are you saying you don't know what immunocompromised means?

Awesome.  See the discussion is about "You are afraid to discuss that medicine does cure illness in the immunocompromised" and you just illustrated that perfectly because right there, in that sentence you showed that you are completely UNABLE to talk about the point.  You had to switch to a different point.

Well it also depends on my language.

Nope.  You avoided the question and started talking about something entirely different.  Evidence is further compounded because you are still doing it right now.

There is no cure for

But you refuse to define "cure".  Again since you deliberately choose to use words in ways that are not they way they are used in English and/or in medicine.  You need to define this before anything can be discussed.  Even a terribly stupid person like yourself should be able to understand this

The dumb ass says that heart disease cannot be put in a graph because is to broad!

No what I said was that the subject of increasing heart disease is broad and since you can't seem to say what it is you want to talk about.  I'll assume, for now that you don't know what you're talking about.   When you can come up with a more specific subject I'll be happy to address it.

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