Vaccinations; recent developments

[Magluvin]

Nothing "cooked" about it I showed exactly how the calculation was reached.  If you had an issue you could easily point out where the mistake is and how the calculation should be done.  But sadly in the SeaMonkey world of knowing nothing about math - you can't.  So this is really you WISHING you could find an error more than pointing one out.  :)I have compete regard for long term effects but you would have to show me equally strong research illustrating them.  However you can't.   You can't even seem to dig up research that you would label "strong" in public. 

So again, based on the evidence at hand.  This is just you talking about monsters under your bed.

"I have compete regard for long term effects but you would have to show me equally strong research illustrating them.  However you can't."

Well then neither can you. On all the newer vacs, where are the long term studies? There cant be any because these studies need 10, 20 years even more to be sure.

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Mags

[sarkeizen]

"I have compete regard for long term effects but you would have to show me equally strong research illustrating them.  However you can't."

Well then neither can you.

A couple of things....

i) My statement is a response to SeaMonkey's claim that I am ignoring something.  So your claim that I can't PROVE something to you isn't relevant to that point.   SeaMonkey's idea that there is some strong evidence for long term effects that I'm ignoring is untrue.
ii) The reason why SeaMonkey can't refute my position is probably more because he is ignorant than anything else.

On all the newer vacs, where are the long term studies? There cant be any because these studies need 10, 20 years even more to be sure.

Yawn.  Arbitrary standard of evidence - I guess that's what they teach you in...well wherever you learned to be this stupid.  As I've already said no amount of evidence can give you complete certainty.  So "to be sure" is irrelevant.

Here's fun! Can you show me any research where exposure to foreign element showed a strong correlation with a long term 10-30 year effect?  You probably won't because well...you have no idea what you're talking about.  Most of the ones I can think of are either a replicating organic - parasite (clonorchis sinensis), virus (HPV), prion (PrP)  or a large exposure to a non-replicating organic/non-organic (e.g. TCDD) or a chronic small exposure to a non-replicating organic/non-organic (e.g. lead).

So why can you find evidence of these things but not small one-time non-replicating exposure?  Hmmmm?  You don't know do you?  Well there are actually a number of reasons but one is the dose response relationship.  Incredibly small doses tend to have much smaller effects than incredibly large ones (WOW!) and small doses that do have strong effects tend to be short term.  Because chemical reactions are correlated with concentration.  A small dose of anything is going to become more dilute when you inject it into something as fluid as a human body and over time it's likely to become more so.

Replicating organics have the advantage that they can make toxins or copies of themselves from the materials in the human body.  Which is why Joel gets all these funny ideas about vaccines from his show about parasites.

So the non-replicating parts of a vaccine (everything in an inactivated vaccine) are always going to be highly unlikely to produce an illness that just pops up 20 years down the road.  The replicating parts of a vaccine (the viral parts of a live vaccine) are designed to be easily stopped by the immune system and that is something that is tested for.  If the immune system doesn't - such as in an immunocompromised person the effect is going to be the same as the disease itself and there is little chance of long term effects unless the virus itself has long term effects.   So to get a disease that just pops up 20 years down.  You need a live vaccine, for a virus that replicates heavily but asymptomatically AND has a mechanism for preserving itself like VSV, for which the immune system doesn't stop.  So even in this model you're on some shakey ground statistically.

That's not even touching the information you get from lifespan or generational studies on animals or the information you get from epidemiology from vaccines which have been around longer.

So no, you can have evidence, good evidence even against illnesses which are 20-100 years out without having actual epidemiology.   

[orbut 3000]

Food for the thought: TRUTH

[SeaMonkey]

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I have compete regard for long term effects but you would have to show me equally strong research illustrating them.  However you can't.   You can't even seem to dig up research that you would label "strong" in public. 

So again, based on the evidence at hand.  This is just you talking about monsters under your bed.

Aaaahhh, the degree of desperation to be found
in your fatuous misdirections and denials is staggering!

The 'problem' is never with the math - it is always with the
cooked 'data' which is plugged and chugged.

So answer us this:  Where is the research devoted to studying
long term effects of vaccinations and medications?

It certainly isn't being done candidly by the Medical Industry
or by its principal Big Pharma.  The Love of Money will not
permit the Truth to be revealed.

Your expositions are descending to ever lower depths of
depravity Sarkey...    Readying yourself for the Passover?

[Pirate88179]

Sir not all epoxies are 50/50 % mix. And some epoxies are flexible and others are brittle....some are in between. Even some gaskets cure in the exposure of air and others cure in the lacking of air.....blah blah blah.

I need a new car battery.

This is getting stupid bill...stop believing that your JB weld fix is something big. You know you need replacement engine piston o-rings when worn out. Or lifter springs when they wear out. Or bearings for the engine camshaft. Your fix is crap compared to the engineering if you want to hear the obvious truth! lol So please STOP believing that's something HUGE achievement already! lol

And that mentality is applied to vaccinations! C'mon man!

JB weld a freaking flu virus strain?

Some epoxies are mixed by weight, and some others by volume.  You can actually make an epoxy more flexible by adding a bit more hardener, and vise versa.  The best epoxies need to be fired in a controlled oven environment.

I do not know what you have against these chemical bonding agents.  Did you know that our composite winged jet fighters use epoxy?  Did you know that the first private launch into space used epoxies in its construction? (Space Ship 1)  Did you know that the ceramic tiles on the space shuttle were attached using an epoxy?  The list goes on and on Joel.

So, all of these modern flying machines can use this stuff but you refuse to repair your car with it?  This makes no sense at all.  I mean, it is not like you are going 17,500 mph (orbital velocity) in your car...right?  So, epoxies are good enough for that but you do not trust them on your car?

You need a new battery?  How do you know?  What is wrong with it?  If the electrolyte is leaking out of the case, yes, you can repair that with JB Weld.  If your filler caps are broken or missing, yes, JB Weld can handle that too.  If your lead plates are sulfated, you can can repair that by pulsing high voltage spikes and using a chemical cleaner and adding new electrolyte.  Your battery will be good for another 5 years.

But no, you want to toss that battery away and purchase a new one.  Rather than fix what you have, you replace.  That is fine if you can afford to do that...I can't.  (I actually do not know anyone personally that can either)  So, dishwasher fan blade comes off?  Just throw it away and buy a new dishwasher.  It sounds like you are keeping the landfill folks in business all by yourself.  I prefer to repair the stuff that I have and keep it in good working order. 

But, to each his own I guess.

Bill