What's wrong with this

[Floor]

@ MarkE

"At the bottom of the tank the float entering has zero impetus to enter the fluid section, magic valves or not." from MarkE

Agreement, not in dispute, I never implied or said otherwise !  Why do you ASSUME here otherwise ? CONDISCENTION ?

"The only way to get that float into the fluid section is to displace a volume of fluid equal to the float volume." from MarkE

Agreement, not in dispute, I never said otherwise ! 

The above kind of a reply is a pain in the neck.  It's such a waste to spend time takeing words out of ones
mouth which one has not him self placed there.  Those who are into such a poor style of communication
should refrain from posting in other people's topics at all.  Those who habitually / deliberstely do so have a mental
disorder.

Perhaps they really are shills, if not they at least give people good reason to suspect so.

                            The following is another "style" of reply.  It is an example of poor communication and some
thing we can all work on.  I'm playing fair here by giving you fore warning. I don't have to, except,  to
keep from falling to this kind of perons level, and because I don't really wish to cause you any harm.
................................................
Mark, sometimes when you come into a topic, it's like a vampire has come into the room sucking all of the life out of it,
while at the same restoreing that once fresh air with the smell of some rotting carcus he's been feeding on.
Yes that's It, vampire breath.

I think it's like a suffocating ASSUMING / CONDESCENIG  air.

Is this because you have some kind of a disability?  Is this, perhaps the cause of this assuming /condescending
behavior ?  Has this allways been a issue for you in your life?  An issue perhaps from a controlling mother or father
that used a similar method ?
............................

Now let's look at the kind of effect this poor style of comunication may have upon the recipient as well as it's effects upon
the complexion of the OU community as a whole. 

What kind of an effect might it have is practiced upon you for example.  Try to keep your empathy intact here.
                                   Not good huh ? 
We wouldn't approve of this kind of communication would we?

Consider now, that this "style of communication method" is something that a person may have endured for some course
of time which is not just a day, but perhaps for a week, or months or even a year.


Not done yet

           floor

[MarkE]

@ MarkE

"At the bottom of the tank the float entering has zero impetus to enter the fluid section, magic valves or not." from MarkE

Agreement, not in dispute, I never implied or said otherwise !  Why do you ASSUME here otherwise ? CONDISCENTION ?

Establishing clear lines of what is and is not in dispute is good communication.  In any dispute it is important to understand what is agreed upon and what is not, so that attention can be focused on the actual crux of the dispute.

"The only way to get that float into the fluid section is to displace a volume of fluid equal to the float volume." from MarkE

Agreement, not in dispute, I never said otherwise ! 

Again, good, that's one less thing in the way of the proof that the proposed machine does not work as you propose.

The above kind of a reply is a pain in the neck.  It's such a waste to spend time takeing words out of ones
mouth which one has not him self placed there.  Those who are into such a poor style of communication
should refrain from posting in other people's topics at all.  Those who habitually / deliberstely do so have a mental
disorder.

Where did I say that you said otherwise?  It seems to me that you would do well to take note of your complaints concerning assumptions.  I made a series of true statements as part of the groundwork of disproving your proposal.  Here you complain that I did so even as you acknowledge that you agree with the truth of my statements.

Perhaps they really are shills, if not they at least give people good reason to suspect so.

                            The following is another "style" of reply.  It is an example of poor communication and some
thing we can all work on.  I'm playing fair here by giving you fore warning. I don't have to, except,  to
keep from falling to this kind of perons level, and because I don't really wish to cause you any harm.
................................................
Mark, sometimes when you come into a topic, it's like a vampire has come into the room sucking all of the life out of it,
while at the same restoreing that once fresh air with the smell of some rotting carcus he's been feeding on.
Yes that's It, vampire breath.

LOL, I hope you can see the irony in what you just wrote.

I think it's like a suffocating ASSUMING / CONDESCENIG  air.

Is this because you have some kind of a disability?  Is this, perhaps the cause of this assuming /condescending
behavior ?  Has this allways been a issue for you in your life?  An issue perhaps from a controlling mother or father
that used a similar method ?
............................

Speaking of assumptions and speculation ...

Now let's look at the kind of effect this poor style of comunication may have upon the recipient as well as it's effects upon
the complexion of the OU community as a whole. 

What kind of an effect might it have is practiced upon you for example.  Try to keep your empathy intact here.
                                   Not good huh ? 
We wouldn't approve of this kind of communication would we?

You have been treating the board to a barrage of ad hom attacks against me.  Do you think that those attacks have advanced your proposed buoyancy scheme?  Do you think that it has countered my explanation of why your scheme does not work?

Consider now, that this "style of communication method" is something that a person may have endured for some course
of time which is not just a day, but perhaps for a week, or months or even a year.


Not done yet

           floor

Well, whenever you would like to get back to the topic as you introduced it in the OP you are welcome to do so by me.

[tinman]

Quote MarkE: If it is gas tight, then by definition gas cannot enter or leave.
Answer-incorrect.

Quote MarkE: but it sounds like you want to change the volume of your submerisble.
Answer correct.

Quote MarkE: Once what is eliminated?
The question was very clear-->What GAS can return most of it's energy to the source once it is eliminated.

Quote MarkE: it all depends on whether the mass falls through a fluid or a vacuum.
Quote TinMan:but remains in the vessle to be used once again once the vessle has reached the ocean floor.

Quote MarkE: it all depends on whether the mass falls through a fluid or a vacuum.
So 500kg's of grass is heavier than 500kg's of bricks
Regardless of being in a vacume or in a fluid,the continual force would be 500kg's over a distance of 3.2 kilometers.

This one would not be a waste of $20 000. This is one that would work.

[Floor]

@MarkE
As I said

"The title of the topic is What's wrong with this.
The subject, is the conversation we are having, not the floating device."

[ramset]

So floor
this is like "charm School" for Mark E??


Wow......