Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!

[Newton II]

http://www.vasantcorporation.com/downloads/Delayed_Lenzs_Law_04-27-2014.pdf

[MarkE]

Without any steel in the system , Do the induced fields disappear the instant power is cut?
When the gen coil is a max output and you dump it into a drive coil, the gen coil now creates an opposite pole ?
But when you cut power to the drive coil does it create an opposite pole?
I know steel cores and rotors give much better results , but that is the achilies heel.
IMHO artv

No, but they don't last very long.  How long they last depends on how permeable the conductors are and how conductive they are.  By asking about a case where there is no steel, I take it you mean no material more permeable than air.  In that case the decay depends on how good a conductor you have.  In a superconductor there would be no decay.

Induced voltage always, always, always conforms to Lenz' Law.  The current that results can be out of phase which then allows the load to store and return some of the energy transferred.  Any change in the magnetic field density, increasing or decreasing is opposed by the image current.

[MarkE]

http://www.vasantcorporation.com/downloads/Delayed_Lenzs_Law_04-27-2014.pdf

The key slide is slide #32.  Beyond that he offers a lot of speculation that he has not confirmed more than seven months later.  Why?  See slide #32.

[tinman]

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You can take your "just words" and go on a bench and do an experiment where you do the full timing and analysis of that timing diagram and then come back and look at your words to see if they are "just words" or if they are valid and have substance.  Right now as far as I am concerned you are just repeating a "popular belief" that has infested the free energy forums for way too long.  I don't accept this and instead of blindly believing something the better thing to do is roll up your shirtsleeves and see if all of this "delayed Lenz" talk has any merit or if it is complete BS.

Did you see on Luc's new thread how the explanation for what was taking place was derived from looking at the actual data that he got from doing some experiments?

Tinman, the problem is not that I don't do experiments, the problem is that you guys either don't do experiments or you do experiments but you don't have the knowledge or experience to correctly understand what you are looking at.  Somebody makes a totally wrong conclusion and everybody believes them and agrees with them.  Part of the problem is that many of you are afraid to disagree with each other.  The other problem is that a newbie on a bench should be making timing diagrams for their circuits and then actually undertaking to understand what is going on.  How often do you see someone construct a timing diagram?

I can envision this:  You do a pulse motor/generator and confirm the "delayed Lenz effect" and make your power measurements, etc.  But the job will not be done.  Go the next step and construct a timing diagram and understand the timing diagram.  That's the real deal and almost nobody ever does it.

It's simply ridiculous to say, "this is the delayed Lenz effect."  Do you understand where I am coming from?  The term "delayed Lenz effect" does not even exist in the real world of electronics and motors.

I have no doubt that you could show me the "delayed Lenz effect" but the real issue is what are you really looking at?  The challenge for you after you do your tests is to put together one or two paragraphs of text that describe what you are observing in the real language of electronics and not this fake imaginary language like "delayed Lenz effect."  There is an explanation for what you might be observing and it is guaranteed to be 100% conventional and 100% explainable using 100% standard electronics terms.

And there are no special or "magical" benefits to the "delayed Lanz effect."   It's all just REAL, and the challenge for every experimenter in alternative energy is to master the basics of electronics if you want to play with electronics.  You think that you can do something that is "amazing" and "out of the ordinary?"  If so, prove to yourself that you really and truly know what you are doing first.

MileHigh

Are you saying i dont do experiment's?. Are you saying i have no bench time?. Are you saying i am still unable to interpret what i see?.
Well it's the weekend here now,and it's time to build. Soon it will be your time to tell me what you see. But straight of the bat,there is a lenz force delay,as a magnetic field dose have a speed limit-even if it is the speed of light. So how hard is it to decrease the reaction time of the CEMF-is it in any way possable to delay that CEMF that acts against our generators rotor?. Well we shall see. I will make this setup as simple as i can. I will be using an air core coil-no core material except air.Goodbye eddy current losess,and any thing else that causes drag on the rotor.

Wouldnt it be a hoot if we could arange magnets on the rotor so that they were actually attracted to the CEMF field. Now how would you manage to flip poles like that without looseing the generator effect?.

Has any one here driven a stepper motor to very high RPM and checked out what happens when you load the output. Start with about 10 000 rpm-->give it a shot guys.

[MarkE]

The trouble is that no matter what one does to manipulate an induction load, the net result spans between:  storing energy temporarily and giving almost all of that energy back on a cycle by cycle bases, or dissipating / conveying all of the induced energy.  If you want energy to go through the thing you are subjecting to a changing magnetic field, such as:  an intentional motor, then offsetting the phase whether by a passive L-C network or construction of a transmission line stores some but never all of the energy induced and if arranged just right will give almost all of it which can later be delivered back to the source.  On a cycle by cycle basis it would almost be as though the induction load did not exist.  With respect to seeing that this is what is going on, good quality measurements can be very helpful.