Lenz free generator

[gyulasun]

Hi Erfinder,

I think that when JB put the core into the coil, the input current dropped  (say to a few mA from the earlier 200 mA, full scale was 5 A) because the inserted core increased the L inductance of the so far air cored coil hence the AC impedance also increased. So the current consumption decreased, it had to.

What I did not understand back at the time when he released that video was why he mentioned the no back emf feature? Because the induced voltage in the coil was shown on the scope...  see attached shot where I put an arrow to the induced peak voltage.
Later on JB showed the advanced version on his zero force motor and it included 2 half toroidal coil sets, here the back emf may have indeed been cancelled but not with the single coil version shown above.

If you disagree with any of these, please give your thoughts on them. Probably you have differing thoughts, for you mention a Tesla patent on the concept... 

Now I know I misunderstood what you wasted on the 20 minutes, sorry for that...

Thanks, Gyula

[tinman]

 


Start building.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKuz3Yr6nmA


.  I can see many already turning their nose up at the mentioning of hv, as there's no power there....I pity  those (no i don't) who lack forsight necessary to see how utterly stupid such an opinion is.  Why not post this at the onset of the discussion?  It's on topic?  The simple answer, build it and learn why!  The funniest quote I got from a real guru was this....."you won't power your house with a rollerskate."


Oh, and for the record, you demonstrate once again that you are owned by the, your, adversary, Lenz.  Consumption decrease is not a sign that you are winning.

OMG
You have got to be kidding Erfinder--really 

You show a coil shorting circuit placed across a stepper motor,and you think you have shown something wonderful lol.
Did you not watch my video carefully,where i show the very same,only at a slower RPM,and with the use of weak ceramic magnets.
My-how far behind you really are.

Why is my demo important, well.....it's the most stupid simple hv generator that anyone can build if they were so inclined.  When tuned, it exhibits the lowest possible drag of any generator that I have yet to build using off the shelf shit

Your video is only about 80 years behind the rest of the world-->see pic.
The only reason you think that a stepper motor produces very little drag,is the very same reason you think the dynaflux generator is wonderful.You-like Jim,have no idea where to look,when you think something is doing something wonderful.
I have shown-not so long ago,a stepper motor driving 2x 1 watt incandescent bulbs,without any reflection what so ever on the prime mover--big deal,there is nothing out of the ordinary there,and as long as you shun measuring equipment the way you do,you will remain behind the rest of the world-just as you are now.

20 minutes gone....and for what....  wanna show them something, throw together an SG no power supply at all....the circuit should charge its own supply cap, and that cap should then be pulsed across the motor winding.....neons should light up if you got one

So many words of !wisdom!  .
So will you be goining myself and AC in our little build off,and put your self running SG  up for show?-or,is it as usual,just more talk?.

....here's the catch...
EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, OR SHOULD BE BEATEN TO A PULP WITH THEIR SG MACHINES FOR NOT KNOWING!
Instead of a meter and CVR clarification, it would have made more sense, you being a SG guru, for you to have discussed how and why the SG is and will always be a generator.

The SG is,always has been,and always will be,just a mechanically switched boost converter-nothing more.
By the way,the pulse motor i just built,is not an SG.
The !SG! was designed and built many years before JB came on the scene--he just stole the idea,and made it his own.
Many here have posted links to the original builders of the !SG! motor.

So,as i said,you are that far behind Erfinder,that you cant see past your own stupidity.
See that 1906 phone bell ringer below ?-well that is your stepper motor,but with mechanical points coil shorting--and it will light 6x 110 volt neons in series,with a simple slow crank of the handle--oh,and with less drag than your stepper motor has lol.

As i said,you are so far behind,it is not funny 

Brad

[tinman]

Almost forgot....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpDMMcNQxc

This video came out back in the day when orbo was "the" topic.  If I recall the circumstances surrounding the release of this video, JB was saying in so many words, that what they were demonstrating, he could do with his tech.  Note the consumption drop when he adjusts the core..... After this video, folk got really excited about consumption decrease, thinking that it was directly related to self running...blah blah blah....sad, folks are duping themselves.  JB knows exactly what he was doing when he added that core, and so do I.  Tesla has a patent on the concept, you should look into it, or not.... 

All that to say this, your late...

LOL

I see that JB knows about as much as you and Jim !tha man! Murray.
None of you have any idea as to what happened when JB placed the iron tube inside the coil,and why the current input dropped lol. 
Dose an increase in inductance mean anything to you?.

200mA at who knows what voltage--wow,he's on a winner there lol.
And JB is suppose to be some sort of radio tech guru lol.

Why you continue to post such piffle is beyond me 

[allcanadian]

@tinman

Well mine is coming along fine--how is yours AC ?[/size]First run using power supply-not looking to bad on the power draw  Once you have your first run up and posted here AC,we will switch to caps only  What size cap are we to use AC ?--not that it really matters  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI

Nice clean build using two shaded pole cores... I like it. Even if our best laid plans do not always succeed and god knows we have all been there craftsmanship and pride in what we do should prevail.


Correct me if I am wrong, from your wiring it looks as if you are pulsing both cores which are in series triggered by the reed switch/transistor combo. The inductive discharge from the series coils goes to a FWBR then through the NE2 acting as a clipper which I like and  this charges a capacitor. I believe you said you have also tied the output cap to the power supply which I am going to guess is in parallel with the power supply limiting the input...nice. As this would be a precursor to our input/output tied to a single capacitor. Words can be powerful things and I was listening to your words, more so how you said them... the human voice is the window to our soul. I listen to everyone given the chance.


In any case, you seem to have clipped the high voltage end of the inductive discharge from the coils which we can assume is near equal yet opposite to the input leaving the difference between the input/output in your capacitor. The question is ... where do you go from here?. The real question is where do you find the impetus which changes this equation and I believe you already know your capacitor is losing energy. Been there done that and sometimes it is not so much the scenery we may pass but knowing were moving in the right direction which matters and our input/output capacitor tells no lies.


Do you know what I thought was interesting about your video?... your hands and your finger nails. If you want to know where a man has been and his conviction to getting shit done you look at his hands. There are those that pretend to work for a living and there are those that do and not unlike our capacitor our hands tell no lies.


All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.




AC

[tinman]

@tinman

Nice clean build using two shaded pole cores... I like it. Even if our best laid plans do not always succeed and god knows we have all been there craftsmanship and pride in what we do should prevail.


Correct me if I am wrong, from your wiring it looks as if you are pulsing both cores which are in series triggered by the reed switch/transistor combo. The inductive discharge from the series coils goes to a FWBR then through the NE2 acting as a clipper which I like and  this charges a capacitor. I believe you said you have also tied the output cap to the power supply which I am going to guess is in parallel with the power supply limiting the input...nice. As this would be a precursor to our input/output tied to a single capacitor. Words can be powerful things and I was listening to your words, more so how you said them... the human voice is the window to our soul. I listen to everyone given the chance.


In any case, you seem to have clipped the high voltage end of the inductive discharge from the coils which we can assume is near equal yet opposite to the input leaving the difference between the input/output in your capacitor. The question is ... where do you go from here?. The real question is where do you find the impetus which changes this equation and I believe you already know your capacitor is losing energy. Been there done that and sometimes it is not so much the scenery we may pass but knowing were moving in the right direction which matters and our input/output capacitor tells no lies.


Do you know what I thought was interesting about your video?... your hands and your finger nails. If you want to know where a man has been and his conviction to getting shit done you look at his hands. There are those that pretend to work for a living and there are those that do and not unlike our capacitor our hands tell no lies.


All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.




AC

Kick my ass hey lol
You do know that the video is just the very first run-dont you?
I havnt even begun with the circuit yet.

The cap is in the PSU in that run.
The neon lights when the reed switch opens during the generating part of the cycle,not during the motoring part of the cycle. This means that the energy used to light the neon,could also be sent back to the source. But even now,with this simplest of circuits,we are below the 1mA current draw mark.
Placing the scope across the CVR tells the true story of what is happening,and the description i gave at the start of the video is spot on. The biggest problem in that first run, is the PSU limits the voltage as well,to the selected voltage.

Anyway,looking forward to seeing your progress video.
Oh-and i have no problem with you kicking my ass in a pulse motor buildoff AC-something Erfinder could never do.
But as they say-dont count your chickens before they hatch. Lol


Brad