Reboot: Is the "delayed Lenz effect" real or just a misunderstanding?

[gyulasun]

Hi Brad,

Would like to ask on the difference in the number of turns (if there is any) between the two (front and back) coils. The best would be if you had an L meter to check the actual inductances. 
I think of phase shift in R-L circuits and it could also be checked by calculations.

Thanks,  Gyula

[gotoluc]

Recently Gotoluc saw a 90 degree phase lag on the output of a generator coil when the load resistor on the generator coil was only one ohm. Right away he said, "delayed Lenz effect."

MileHigh

I am not attached to calling this effect "delayed Lenz effect."
FYI, the topic I started was an attempt to study the effect so you EE could debate and decide what the effect is and call it what ever you decided was best to call it and that would of been fine with me.  However, you dominated the topic an tried to make me look incompetent and even writing things that I did not do, write or say. So I locked the topic to stop this nonsense.

BTW, here was my opening post of that topic:
Hi everyone,

I'm starting this topic to further study the effects of a generator coil which causes no load to its prime mover once connected to a 1 Ohm resistive load.
It seems we have many views about what could be happening in such a coil and maybe together we can find an explanation we can all agree upon.

I made a video of a simple test device that demonstrates a coil I consider having this quality.
A sense coil has been carefully positioned in order for both coil sinewaves to be in phase which can also serves as a rotor magnet timing reference.
During the video I didn't verbally explain because of the prime mover noise. However, it should be clear to most who have experience on the matter that once the coil is placed under the 1 Ohm load there is next to no change in Frequency (motor RPM). What's also clear is there's a delay in phase once I adjust the scope probe voltage division.
So the question is, what causes current to delay in a resistive load and what is going on in the coil to cause such an effect?

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0N0-sxa09c

Regards

Luc


Now I ask you or anyone else;
Does this sound like someone who is saying this effect is Delayed Lenz and or can only be call delayed Lenz?

So again I ask you, please show me the post I wrote where I had: " a 90 degree phase lag on the output of a generator coil when the load resistor on the generator coil was only one ohm and right away said, "delayed Lenz effect."

If you do find such a post I will be happy to apologize, because as you see from that topics first post I was not attached to calling it that.
However, if you don't find such a post I would like the same respect from you.

Regards

Luc

[MileHigh]

Luc:

Okay, I concede right away that you did not state "delayed Lenz effect."

Now, was that hard?  Just to continue the narrative about that clip and the testing, I helped you and worked with you on that investigation.  I suggested that you change the value of the load resistor, and then the phase shift went away and started to go towards zero degrees.  Then I explained the likely simplified circuit was the EMF source in seres with an unknown inductance connected to the load resistor.  You thought that the "inductance" was the inductance of your generator coil and I explained to you that the coil was acting like an EMF source, and not like an inductance.

In other words, in working with you I basically explained to you want was happening over a dozen postings and a decent amount of effort tapping away at my keyboard.

I don't recall a single acknowledgment or thank you from you for that work.  Why is that?  I notice that when somebody makes a simple one-liner suggestion to you you heap praise on them.

Finally, you lied about me and I challenged you on that with a separate posting and I don't think that there was a single peep from you about that.  You are not without fault by a long shot.

So see how easy it is for me to admit that I was wrong?  I am just suggesting to you that you get your priorities straight.  If people help you have the courtesy to acknowledge it.  If you are wrong or make mistakes and you are corrected, acknowledge it and suck it up.  Sorry, but there is no magic halo over you protecting you from just the simple plain truth about your investigations.  Like I said before, I am not going to hire a Hallmark greeting card ghost writer to make everything all soft and sweet. Enough effort goes into getting the information out there, and I am not going to double or triple the required effort to make the prose all sweet and serene just for you.

MileHigh

[gotoluc]

Well, this makes it the third time you write something I did not say or write as you wrote in your post.  Your audience can decide why you would do such a thing.

BTW, can you point me the post where I lied about you, as I'm not aware I did such a thing and would be more then happy to apologize if I did.

I think deep down you know that I do appreciate the opinion of EE as long as the message is done in a supportive way.
Maybe we can learn something from each other? ... I now see a supportive post: http://overunity.com/15083/the-new-generator-no-effect-counter-b-emf-part-2-selfrunning/msg429509/#msg429509

Kind regards

Luc

[MarkE]

Mark, that would be a good idea...
But just seeing the drive side running faster with less energy input is more than enough for my satisfaction...

The problem is that it is not a direct measurement of what you want to know about.  Thane Heins and many others have gone down a similar rabbit hole where their proxy for a power gain has been shown to be false.

A generator coil is basically a motor coil and visa versa...

That's very true.

It does turn into a electro magnet when it is energized by the rotor magnets so we just need to let that happend at a different time and it will help out the drive side instead of working against it...

That's a nice thought but there is this elephant in the room problem that the only source of return energy is the source energy less losses.  Losses don't get made up in volume.