T-(Shaped) Turbine, Which uses Centrifugal Force

[Overunityguide]

Hi Telecom,

Rotating the whole assembly will take some input power indeed. (especially when started) Although I don't think it takes 'lots of power' to keep it rotating. This because once the system is started-up, it acts more like a Giant Flywheel structure which needs to be kept moving. The only direct contact with the  water is at the center of the water basin and rotates 'relatively' slow in de example I provided. (only 3 rps) The main power which the turbines are running on is mostly Centrifugal Force. My estimate would be that such a system, (2 x 30MW at the Turbines) will only consume around 30-300 kW at the Motor/Input side to sustain rotation once started (But that is only an estimate...)

The plans as provided are purely conceptual and a lot of testing needs to be done. But the Mechanical Turbine Power Figures are based on actual Hydro-Power calculation methods.

[telecom]

Hi,
in this case can you provide some calculations for the tabletop model of your design.
For example, for it to generate up to 2 kwts by consuming only, say, up to 400 Watts.
What would be the dimensions of such a machine?
Regards

[AB Hammer]

@ Overunityguide

As you spin the system. The water itself will vortex and fight against you. Also with the break walls will cause a negative turbulence in the way you have them placed.

So! My advice you need to ramp Spiro your breaks to guide the water back to the center in a smooth flow. This will narrow the vortex and you need to add a guide cone down into the water in the middle with an Archimedes screw effect. This will help you but it still may not be enough. You are asking a lot out of CF help to overdrive a system. Here is a system I designed that used fluid in hopes to self run but could not get enough out of the test to go further. But this may help with some more ideas.

Alan

PS wide to narrow you water flow in the arms to become jets for maximum pressure.

[Dave45]

You could vent the turbines in such a way as to help in the acceleration.

[Overunityguide]

Hi AB Hammer,

The Stationary Break Vanes are meant to be there to prevent a rotating movement inside the water basin. This because when the water is moved/turned around inside the basin, it will create a vortex. This vortex in the water basin will keep the water away from the T-(Shaped) Water inlet. If the water keeps away from this inlet, the water will run out of the system and the turbines come to a complete stop. This is what we don't want. Of course with the Stationary Break Vanes in place the water needs to go from no movement to a turning movement inside the rotating feed pipes/penstocks at the center of the water basin. This will create a small vortex which I think will counter force the input rotation a little, which needs to be overcome by the input motor/drive unit mechanism. But I think that this counter force will not be that big at only 3 rps at the center of the water basin.

The second thing I want to tell is that I don't think that such a system can be made to run itself purely based on water flow that easy. This is the reason why I have chosen the input motor/turbine output route.

And Yes I am asking a lot of the Centrifugal Force, But it can Give us a Lot also... (if you build it the right way)

The last thing I want to comment on, is that I think it is not a good idea to go from wide to narrow at the turbine outlets and create jets for propulsion. This because it will obstruct the water flow going to the turbines in such a way that it will prevent serious power from being produced at the turbine place. But on the other hand, if you vent them in the proper direction it can help.

I am not hoping to be a Negative Nancy on this, but I do think we need to look a bit different at things compared to what already is being tried in the past (and possible didn't work)