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[memoryman]

conrad: very good points; believers rarely change their beliefs because of facts/evidence.
An excellent book on 'why people believe' is "The believing brain" by Michael Shermer (ISBN 978-1250-00880-0).
Of course, Dave has a financial incentive to sell these contraptions. They are also a form of placebo.
MH: of course Dave is not interested in objective data; that would interfere with his 'belief'.

[MarkE]

Yes people have bought them and never complained... Because it works, plain and simple.

-Dave Wing

No the machine has no effect on the data stream that comes from the discs at all.  The only effect is in the imagination of the user.

[MarkE]

It is statements like these that demonstrate a closed mind not open to the possibility that does exist outside their own limited understanding. Is it possible that the device is doing something that is outside your own very limited understanding?
Have you ever thought about that one?

-Dave Wing

A closed mind is one that rejects objective data. 

Objective fact #1:  You have no comparative PCM data.  You have no objective information that the disc data is altered.
Objective fact #2:  CD's encode data in an encoded, interleaved format.  In order to affect something as simple as the resolution requires synchronization and decoding of the data stream. The Bedini device does nothing to read the disc.
Objective fact #3: The data on the disc is encoded in pits approximately 1 millionth of a meter in length and a fraction of a millionth of a meter in depth.  The Bedini device has no mechanism that can concentrate energy  anywhere within several orders of magnitude of the dimensions of the physical encoding means.

You gleefully ignore these indisputable facts and claim that the device alters the data read from the disc.  You have no objective data to show that the data is altered, and no physical basis on which to believe that the data could be altered.  And the fact is that the Bedini device does not alter the data.

[MarkE]

Dave should not be afraid of any result.

All advertising helps, even negative advertising. I would say in this case "negative reports" would be even more beneficial to sales figures, because people who believe in the "supernatural" like to be rebels against "mainstream science".

So, if "mainstream science" says that the Bedini CD Clarifier is bogus, this would actually be a big reason to buy one, just because some like to rebel in a harmless and not dangerous way against "the persons who think they know all".

Freud would tell you, that we all have a "teacher complex", that we all got hurt a bit by our teachers because they were such overpowering figures in our youth. And some then like to rebel against that "teacher" represented by mainstream science. I see that very often in the OU forums. Some have a really big "teacher complex".

TinselKoala you are (inadvertently) a big advertiser of the Bedine CD Clarifier. Keep on talking about it and Dave will sell many.

In my opinion, selling the Bedini CD Clarifier is not more or less fraudulent than selling food supplements. Therefore I am not condemning Dave and Bedini, they just want to make a living.

By the way, every day you should eat a spoon full of honey with cinnamon, your health and live will improve rapidly.

Greetings, Conrad

Based on his eBay store rankings they have not been flying off the shelf.

[Pirate88179]

I agree with Conrad.  I have actually been able to "fix" or "repair" some of my older, abused CD's by polishing the scratches off of the protective plastic layer.  This process also removes dirt and grease as the first step is to clean it very well.  You can sand/polish scratches off of the layer and "restore" a CD that skips or repeats.  Now this makes sense as you are actually altering the physical surface of the CD.

I will say that it does not improve "sound" or given freqs. as the CD either plays, or it does not.  The info can either be read, or not.  Skipping and repeating is probably a side effect of the error cancelling technology.  The sound is not improved by removing scratches, but the playability is.

I do not have to buy a device to see that there is no way for it to work.  I do not have to test something that has 0 chance of making any freq. response improvements.  Of course I am far from perfect and do not know everything...no one does.  But seriously folks, what possible basis or theory could make this device work?  I do not see any....any at all.

Bill

PS  If you live in a dusty area like my apartment, you can also improve playability by cleaning the optics (very carefully with a high grade alcohol and dust free applicator) of the laser on the player.  I do this about 1/year and you would not believe the dust that gets in there. Again, this only improves playability, not frequency response as I don't think that is possible.