New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago

[jonfrommanahawkin1]

"Keep it real" lol


it sounds like you've tried and failed at overunity

roflmao

and if you really knew the laws of thermodynamics, they actually allow for overunity but you have to actually understand how they came to the conclusion of these laws

jon

[MileHigh]

Jon:

Of course you are aware that people would state that the laws of thermodynamics are all about unity, not over unity.  Just because you say something does not mean it is true.

The reason I am here was because in the early days of YouTube on a lark I put the term "free energy" into the search.  To my surprise I saw that there was a small army of people out there building Bedini motors.

If you have a project to show one day just start a thread.  You will get good feedback from the people around here.  If you are making a claim of free energy and you get some follow-up questions, the challenge for you is to try and answer as opposed to calling the people asking the questions trolls.

MileHigh

[jonfrommanahawkin1]

Just because you say it can't doesn't mean it's true. 

Jon

And why should anyone answer to you

[rickfriedrich]

George Orwell is my hero!

But you make an important point, everything you say is actually true.  If you go to a conference to learn, then asking questions is part of the process.  It not hard to envision though that certain questions would be welcome, like asking for a frank and open discussion about energy out vs. energy in measurements for batteries.  It does matter what way you are charging them.

Case in point:  What was that 2010 bloody "Windmill motor" actually supposed t do?  What did it DO?  I read a fair amount around that time and watched the clips and never saw any statement about what it was actually supposed to do.  That's a case where ignorance is not bliss.

LOL! I can distort your words as well. You have an art for twisting things. I said that there is no question that is not important. No question that is frowned about. In fact now we have someone who really understands the quantum vacuum theory and does an excellent job in answering the questions for those who are interested in asking. Previously some people were disappointed because no one could answer such related questions. You keep bringing up the 10 coiler. My prototype was changed just prior to that 2010 meeting by the guy who demonstrated it. He was supposed to make a battery rotating system which he slapped together at the last minute and ran this big motor on only 2A which is not the way it was made to run. Anyone knows when that kind of motor runs too low it doesn't do anything important. I do regret that some of the things didn't get finished on time with that meeting and that was certainly one thing that fell through the cracks. Some will never get beyond that. I'm the one that brought that to everyone's attention so why would I do that if I was pushing some lie?? I found that rotator was not how I requested it to be built. The batteries were being paralleled which were in totally different states of charge which would have caused all sorts of problems. It was a mess. I have to take responsibility for the statements that were made at that meeting. Also by others. There was a lot happening at that meeting and I can see where people have issue with all this because of those things. I allowed people to help that I thought were friends at both of those meetings. Several people destroyed the motors while "helping" to get them ready. My lawnmower was totally ruined for example. So that 10 coiler was modified down for that rotator in which a claim was made. The claim was actually correct for the motor when it was running as it should have been but not for how it was being run. However, I did drive in with the lawnmower in the 2010 meeting that was later in the boat for the 2011 meeting. And that motor weighed over 200 pounds on the front of the mower and I popped a wheelie at the start of the show. I was driving around on that while it was drawing 10A at 36V and charging batteries at the same time. Of course I had the same extension cord from the dock outside going to the motor but which was invisible. 
Not sure what "Windmill motor". We never had a windmill motor. You are confused with someone else obviously.
The point is that the meetings were not so much an attempt to prove something as much as for people to see everything at once and interact with us and each other and to build some motors and learn what they could. You can't really or easily run all the tests that you need to prove this out in a day or two. Most people that came were not needing such proof but wanted to learn how to improve their outputs and learn all the associated information. And many wanted to come to hear stories. In order to prove something people need to do things themselves to prove to themselves one way or another. You have to be able to properly evaluate batteries if it is a battery system. If you have old or used or unequal batteries how can a fair comparison be made? You can't just go by the voltage of a battery but have to be able to determine the actual capacity by running them into real loads. Of course when you discharge the battery, and again folks Mr. MilesHigh in pride can't get this ever, which is the only way to evaluate this system, then you are dealing with losses in the inverter or other load also. So if you power a bulb or constant load with an inverter you have to realize that you have losses from the battery to the inverter to the load also. Anyway, if you don't know what your batteries put out and just rely on meters to tell you where they are at then you may be mistaken, depending on how good a battery capacity analyzer is. Some are better than others. I always want to verify with real loads over a full discharge. We often even take our batteries down to 8V but only consider up to 10.5V. Many times down to zero also. We charge them up very high but that is not always the most efficient way to use batteries... While batteries being equal are important for preliminary testing to how this works in the basics, it is recommended that much larger batteries of higher voltage be charged on the output. This is not always practical to do. For example, I ran a tiny 1W motor at 12V charging a 48V 2000AH battery bank. This was an extreme example. The motor charged the batteries slowly but the total amount of charge occurring was thousands of times greater than if another 12V 12AH battery were being charged in the same place. Again I didn't care what the meter was showing going into the batteries as much as what I could get out of them, and that repeatedly. I'll say again that it is important that the batteries be new or not sulfated up as this kind of system attempts to desulfate batteries which is not an efficient process. That is where people can also be mistaken.

[MarkE]

Really, you think it takes more than a day or two to test for power out versus power in?  Would you like to be able to get that down to say two hours?  There are at least two methods that would manage that.