New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago

[jonfrommanahawkin1]

That means you're a window licker
if you didn't get it

; D
jon

[rickfriedrich]

If you guys wished to have an honest discussion then you would have to stop assuming the worst. Everything you say is in the form of an accusation.
I have been on many forums since the internet became generally used and I have always cared more about honesty and character and attitude than technology or philosophy. At the first meeting in Hamburg we sat in a Tipi and I told everyone that they were more into Free Energy than I was. I explained that technology is not going to make the world a better place but changing the hearts does. It can help good people be better and bad people be worse. My goal isn't for people to be rich or have an easier life, but for them to be honest and good. It may not be the right place to talk about these things here. The method determines the outcome. Deviation from the scientific method results in bad outcomes. But a bad attitude is also a bad method at the most fundamental level and blinds a person from the truth and clouds judgment. Prejudice is the big sin we all can easily engage in. What do I care about everyone having an easy life if people can't even live at peace with each other or come to honest conclusions. So no I never care about the facts in a debate when there is no peace and honesty or respect. At that point it has become meaningless. Some people believe that free energy will change the world and make it all better and lovely. Says who? So I would like to help the world become a better place as best as I can. Apparently you guys think I am doing the wrong thing with my life. lol I'll say this that I am only doing what people asked for. But I agree that it is maybe as important as fire. But being good is more important than fire. Because if we are throwing fire at each other then we all just burn  There are many different ways we can reduce our burdens in life. I am in the process this year of writing a book which will try and help people out of their financial and health bondages. To me helping people be healthy is far more important than giving them a key to produce energy. Quality living and length of days are better than self-indulgent ones. I would like to promote earth shelter homes, hydrogen systems, and many technologies to help people in various ways. Promoting battery restoration and longevity is something I have done for 8 years now, but how much more important to do the same for people's bodies?? Or more importantly their souls?
I'm not a salesman. When I sell a car I end up telling people everything about it and then after an hour they decide against it because I was honest enough to say everything. I do the same with my products. I don't push them on anyone and have often said that they are not for everyone. I wrote an article the other week on the subject so that I don't have to repeat myself. I burst the bubble. Many people talk about doing alternative energy but have no idea of the lifestyle change and expense it is to change over. Even if you had a free source, if your batteries have to be replaced every so many years it doesn't pay for itself. Someone was mentioning this. Yes I estimate these things all day long and talk to people high and low all over the world about these things. While nature may give you many different ways to tap into virtually unlimited resources it still takes work to use it, etc. People largely don't want to put forth the effort to be independent and even have such freedom just as not that many people take their health that serious. It is a fast food day and only a small percentage of people think past the next month or year about their health, their car, their house, or their relationships.
I don't personally have the small magic black box that puts out kw of power. And I mean I don't know how to make one either. What I know is many different ways to tap into environmental resources. What I have done is similar to solar in cost, however requires 2 or 3 times the batteries perhaps. So is that practical? Is that going to be adopted rapidly by everyone? No. Creating free light is not very hard. But torque, charging, and heat with these methods can take a lot of batteries. So eventually those in the past that have been extremely skeptical stopped arguing about the possibility of these systems powering such loads but argued against them being practical enough to be commercially viable. There needed to be a reduction in battery size and cost and the output needed to be at least 3 times more than the input. No matter what was shown or demonstrated the expectations became greater and greater.
When your younger you have the zeal for debate and changing the world and you think you can easily persuade people of good things. But as you get older you see how stuck in their ways people are. So yes I tire of this old subject the older I get. I didn't mean to come on here and give the impression that I was going to get into some big debate with you guys. Throw your stones at me. Tell me I'm avoiding things by avoiding to pay attention that I said the output is not from the machine but from the batteries because the batteries are half the system. Skim over my posts and fail to read that and I'll skim over your posts and not bother to pay attention. Whatever guys. I'm not playing victim I'm just not interested. There are far too many people who are open and it is hard enough to keep up with them. I didn't come to underunity.com to try and prove something.

You claim to have a means to produce free energy, which if true would be as significant as the discovery of fire, and yet you say you are more concerned with attitude than proving your claim?  If your claim were true it would fundamentally transform life on the planet.  But you say you are worried about attitude?  That just doesn't sound like you actually believe your own claims.

[TinselKoala]

OK, now we can add "morons, window lickers, and animals" to the continuing string of insults and name-calling that we reasonable skeptics are getting in return for our requests that claimants provide support for their claims in the form of actual data.

Who is being rude to whom? Keep it up, fellows, you are showing your true colors here for all to see.

So no I never care about the facts in a debate when there is no peace and honesty or respect.

You appear to have cause and effect backwards. You get little respect when you constantly dodge requests for real data in support of your claims and when you insult, over and over again, those people who challenge you to provide that support. You do not care about the facts..... thank you for admitting that much, anyway.

[MarkE]

If you guys wished to have an honest discussion then you would have to stop assuming the worst. Everything you say is in the form of an accusation.

No, I've asked you a series of  questions that would be benign to an honest claimant of free energy and you have thrown up a bunch of excuses as to why you do not answer those questions.  That's been your choice.

I have been on many forums since the internet became generally used and I have always cared more about honesty and character and attitude than technology or philosophy.

If so then why do you play this bob and weave game of dodging.  If you have conviction in your claims one would expect you to want to prove them one way or another as soon as possible.  Instead you throw about excuses about "negativity".

At the first meeting in Hamburg we sat in a Tipi and I told everyone that they were more into Free Energy than I was. I explained that technology is not going to make the world a better place but changing the hearts does.

That sounds like a Valentine's Day commercial for jewelry.

It can help good people be better and bad people be worse. My goal isn't for people to be rich or have an easier life, but for them to be honest and good. It may not be the right place to talk about these things here. The method determines the outcome. Deviation from the scientific method results in bad outcomes. But a bad attitude is also a bad method at the most fundamental level and blinds a person from the truth and clouds judgment. Prejudice is the big sin we all can easily engage in.

The scientific method doesn't care about anyone's attitude.  So you get to decide:  Are you atually going to follow the scientific method, or are you going to just pay lip service to it?

What do I care about everyone having an easy life if people can't even live at peace with each other or come to honest conclusions. So no I never care about the facts in a debate when there is no peace and honesty or respect.

Well if you don't care about facts then in matters of science you won't do very well.

At that point it has become meaningless. Some people believe that free energy will change the world and make it all better and lovely. Says who? So I would like to help the world become a better place as best as I can. Apparently you guys think I am doing the wrong thing with my life. lol I'll say this that I am only doing what people asked for. But I agree that it is maybe as important as fire. But being good is more important than fire. Because if we are throwing fire at each other then we all just burn  There are many different ways we can reduce our burdens in life. I am in the process this year of writing a book which will try and help people out of their financial and health bondages. To me helping people be healthy is far more important than giving them a key to produce energy. Quality living and length of days are better than self-indulgent ones. I would like to promote earth shelter homes, hydrogen systems, and many technologies to help people in various ways.

If you want to pursue any of those things then do as you please.  Right now you are promoting conferences where you have said here you will be demonstrating working free energy machines.

Promoting battery restoration and longevity is something I have done for 8 years now, but how much more important to do the same for people's bodies?? Or more importantly their souls?

Are you changing the theme of your meetings to a religious revival?

I'm not a salesman. When I sell a car I end up telling people everything about it and then after an hour they decide against it because I was honest enough to say everything.

You say that you are not a salesman, but here you are promoting your conferences as a ... wait for it:  sales person.

I do the same with my products. I don't push them on anyone and have often said that they are not for everyone. I wrote an article the other week on the subject so that I don't have to repeat myself. I burst the bubble. Many people talk about doing alternative energy but have no idea of the lifestyle change and expense it is to change over. Even if you had a free source, if your batteries have to be replaced every so many years it doesn't pay for itself. Someone was mentioning this. Yes I estimate these things all day long and talk to people high and low all over the world about these things. While nature may give you many different ways to tap into virtually unlimited resources it still takes work to use it, etc.

That is all distraction from your basic, changes the world as we know it claim that you have working free energy machines that you will show to people who pay your admission price.

People largely don't want to put forth the effort to be independent and even have such freedom just as not that many people take their health that serious. It is a fast food day and only a small percentage of people think past the next month or year about their health, their car, their house, or their relationships.
I don't personally have the small magic black box that puts out kw of power. And I mean I don't know how to make one either. What I know is many different ways to tap into environmental resources. What I have done is similar to solar in cost, however requires 2 or 3 times the batteries perhaps. So is that practical?

Someone else might care about the practicality of your free energy machine claims.  I am only concerned as to whether or not there is strong evidence to support them.

Is that going to be adopted rapidly by everyone? No. Creating free light is not very hard. But torque, charging, and heat with these methods can take a lot of batteries. So eventually those in the past that have been extremely skeptical stopped arguing about the possibility of these systems powering such loads but argued against them being practical enough to be commercially viable.

Maybe someone else did that.  I am completely unconcerned with practicality, and completely concerned with actuality.[qutoe] There needed to be a reduction in battery size and cost and the output needed to be at least 3 times more than the input. No matter what was shown or demonstrated the expectations became greater and greater. [/quote]Again, I don't know who you refer to.  Maybe if you could identify one or two we could seek their opinion as to whether or not they agree with your assertion that you demonstrated a working free energy machine to them.

When your younger you have the zeal for debate and changing the world and you think you can easily persuade people of good things. But as you get older you see how stuck in their ways people are. So yes I tire of this old subject the older I get.

Assuming that you believe that you have the working free energy machines that you claim to have, wouldn't that give you a powerful motivation to prove you really have what you claim?

I didn't mean to come on here and give the impression that I was going to get into some big debate with you guys.

There is little debate.  You've come here claiming that you are going to show people at your meetings working free energy devices.  It is quite an incredible claim.  When asked for details you have become very defensive.  If you want to be able to prove your claims one way or another the defining experiments can be conducted in a couple of hours right in front of your audience.

Throw your stones at me. Tell me I'm avoiding things by avoiding to pay attention that I said the output is not from the machine but from the batteries because the batteries are half the system.

You are free to define the boundaries of your claimed wundermachine any way that you like.

Skim over my posts and fail to read that and I'll skim over your posts and not bother to pay attention. Whatever guys. I'm not playing victim I'm just not interested. There are far too many people who are open and it is hard enough to keep up with them.

There are lots of people who do not think critically.  Is that your target audience?

I didn't come to underunity.com to try and prove something.

I think it is self-evident that you came here to advertise your events.

[rickfriedrich]

Dude! I put the announcement in the news section of the site. I didn't put it in the debate section. Get a grip.

I think it is self-evident that you came here to advertise your events.