Bill Alek gets baked at CES!

[kEhYo77]

It takes little power to operate a relay.  The relay connects the electrical power from the battery to the load.  Since you specify the system as open, we can put the battery outside the box.

Don't make yourself an educated fool pretending of not knowing what an 'open system' vs. 'closed system' is.
Textbooks usually analyze closed systems but in reality one cannot make an isolated system that does not interact with the environment.
So the 'laws' we created to describe interactions are simplified not to include input from surrounding space of a so called 'closed system'.


The battery is a depletable chemical source of energy. OU electromagnetic device utilizes the energy from the sources I mentioned only and those are infinite.

[MarkE]

Don't make yourself an educated fool pretending of not knowing what an 'open system' v.s 'closed system' is.
Textbooks usually analyze closed systems but in reality one cannot make an isolated system that does not interact with the environment.
So the 'laws' we created to describe interactions are simplified not to include input from surrounding space of a so called 'closed system'.


The battery is a depletable chemical source of energy. OU electromagnetic device utilizes the energy from the sources I mentioned only and those are infinite.

If I present a black box that is allowed to be 'open' then it can have wires leading into it from behind the curtain.  Whether I have a battery there, a power cord plugged into the wall, a wind generator or solar panel on the roof, a diesel generator, or a bunch of gerbils madly driving little generators doesn't matter.  The black box is as you say allowed to "interact with the environment".  That environment can include any power source anyone wishes to choose. 

If you impose an endurance requirement to for example rule out batteries, that seems to imply that the device must put out more energy over time than could be stored by some means.  If one is allowed the infinite space of an open system, there is no limit to the battery capacity that could be used.

If you believe that there is energy to be tapped from some volume of space then enclose some space in a black box and see what you can get.  If you could extract energy from that space without diminishing some matter or energy then I submit to you that such a belief would fit the energy from nothing criteria that you you don't like.

[kEhYo77]

Placing things in a black box does not make a closed system.
Getting energy from environement is not considered 'from nothing'.
If you cannot see something it does not mean it is not there.

[Cap-Z-ro]

All this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Bill Alek's hair.

Please get back on topic.

Regards...

[MarkE]

Placing things in a black box does not make a closed system.
Getting energy from environement is not considered 'from nothing'.
If you cannot see something it does not mean it is not there.

How do any of my examples violate your definition of OU?