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[MarkE]

Hi MarkE. Sure, I am well aware of all that, and I did mention that I was taking this sort of thing into account as well.
In this particular test, I believe the scope ground clips attached to the secondary, were altering the output
power measurements somewhat due to unbalancing the secondary circuit somewhat. Based on the amount of light the two LEDs
were giving off without the scope probes attached, I would estimate the actual power consumption of the LEDs as being closer
to roughly somewhere between 1mW to say 1.5 mW at the most. On these types of transformer circuits at higher frequencies, the scope probe
grounds can easily unbalance the circuit under test. I could try an isolation transformer for the scope I suppose, if I had one, but in higher frequency
circuits the scope ground can still potentially alter circuit measurements even if isolated from earth ground. I think I have made it pretty clear
already however that I understand that these measurements at relatively low signal levels could potentially be off quite a bit.
I do try to minimize the more obvious sources of potential measurement error however.
All the best...

It's a nasty noise environment to be certain.

[TinselKoala]

Still, it's a result that will stoke the flames yet again.

@Void: does your scope not have the ability to do onboard trace multiplication? I thought I had the only DSO that couldn't do that. 

[EMJunkie]

Another odd one. Different transformer winding arrangement this time from the previous one.
I have kept the scope leads as much away from other wires and transformer windings as I could, and also tested by moving
scope probes and scope leads around to make sure the phase measurements were not being thrown off by
stray fields getting into the probe leads. Power was again measured by logging data samples for all waveforms to CSV files,
and using a spreadsheet to calculate the instantaneous power for each voltage and current data set, and the overall average power.
Ch1 = yellow traces = voltage waveforms.
Ch2 = blue traces = current  waveforms.

For the curious, here is what the power calculations worked out to.
I am not attempting to draw any conclusions. Measurement error could still be fairly significant in these measurements,
but the measured results are still probably a fairly decent indication of what is going on with the transformer, (barring some unnoticed error).
I am still using a carbon film, 5%, 1 ohm  resistor for the CSR's at the moment, since I don't have better ones yet, so not the greatest.

Power Calculation results:
Input power:    119 uW
Output power:  2.37 mW
Even if you allow for say 50% measurement error, this is still strange results.
A fair portion of the input power seems to be reflecting back to the signal generator, based on the input current waveform anyway,
which would most likely just dissipate in the driver transistor circuitry in the signal generator. Not great since that would
be wasted power. With the very low output power, this particular winding arrangement I tried doesn't appear too practical.
About 20Vpp in and only about 2mW out to the LEDs. In this test I am using a ferrite toroid transformer with windings something along the lines
of the Gennady Markov transformer. It has two phase opposing primary windings, with each primary winding on an opposite side of the toroid.

All the best...

Nice Work Void - You're really seeing what I see.

I have for some time been trying to show the work of Gennady Markov and how is it closely aligned to the rest of this Tech!!!

URL: Gennady Markov - Bi-Directional Current Transformer.

   Chris

[MarkE]

Nice Work Void - You're really seeing what I see.

I have for some time been trying to show the work of Gennady Markov and how is it closely aligned to the rest of this Tech!!!

URL: Gennady Markov - Bi-Directional Current Transformer.

   Chris

I was unaware that poorly performing flyback converters represented a "technology".

[Pirate88179]

I want to know if TK is getting his prize for his answer.  Maybe I missed this?

My answers came right from papers written by Tom Bearden, whom I do not agree with.  If all of his ideas were correct, my computer would not be working right now.

Bill