Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[EMJunkie]

But until then i will try your way sky (joule thief primary) on a tv yoke. I am tinking to wind each partner secondary on is respective half of the yoke and then wound the bifilar primary over one partner coil(or one half yoke).

Hey Guys,

If you don't mind, just so we don't confuse others, maybe we can call the other filament a Trigger Coil?

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[TinselKoala]

I actually already know what they are talking about, problem is, I have already checked and it does not apply.... DC Offset = none! Change in the Wave does not occur from DC to AC like they were suggesting!

Yes, it is clear from the single scope shot that you posted that your waveforms _of that device in that test_ are fairly symmetrical so that the "average" would not change much at that vertical scale between coupling modes. We'll just have to take your word for it that there isn't any DC offset. This does not mean that you are doing your measurements properly, just that you are lucky.

I wasn't even the first one to bring this issue up, you know. You have been told by at least 5 people (PIH123, MileHigh, picowatt, gotoluc, and me), _with references_, that you should be using DC coupling, and why. So hopefully since you "already know what they are talking about" you will do it correctly in the future, should you decide to discuss _measurements_ that might support your claims.

Now let's see if you understand the difference between a decoupling capacitor and the AC-coupling capacitor in the oscilloscope.

Everyone knows this capacitor is just a decoupling cap!

ORLY? Which "everyone" would that be? Is it usual practice to put a "decoupling cap" IN SERIES with a probe doing a measurement that will be used in a power computation? Let's see some references for that, if you don't mind. What is the difference between a high-pass filter and a decoupling capacitor?

I'm not discussing your _measurements_ here, EMJunkie. After all, you haven't provided many to discuss, just that one scope screen with partial information and the _claim_, unsupported, of COP 1.7 in your pdf. I'm discussing your demonstrated lack of knowledge about measurements, your oscilloscope, the functions of capacitors in circuits, your support of Bill Alek, and stuff like that.  When I see you posting stuff that I know is false, I'll speak up about it. In response to PIH123, who first brought up the issue (with a good outside reference), you responded,

It depends on the setup. If the Output is AC then AC is needed on the scope. Vice Versa...

And that's false, and it is misleading to others who might be trying to learn to use an oscilloscope properly. It's a profound _disservice_ to everybody to let stuff like that pass by.

[EMJunkie]

@TinselKoala - A fair bit more constructive than the last post. Lets see if we can get somewhere in the next few posts?

Yes, it is clear from the single scope shot that you posted that your waveforms _of that device in that test_ are fairly symmetrical so that the "average" would not change much at that vertical scale between coupling modes. We'll just have to take your word for it that there isn't any DC offset. This does not mean that you are doing your measurements properly, just that you are lucky.

Ok, I hear you, again, the display of the scope was not for the purpose of "Measurement" it was to show the wav forms and what people might expect in their devices depending on their setups.

I wasn't even the first one to bring this issue up, you know. You have been told by at least 5 people (PIH123, MileHigh, picowatt, gotoluc, and me), _with references_, that you should be using DC coupling, and why. So hopefully since you "already know what they are talking about" you will do it correctly in the future, should you decide to discuss _measurements_ that might support your claims.

I responded to PIH123 with the same shortness and abruptness - I am here trying to share something that is quite different, not bang dicks on measurements!

Now let's see if you understand the difference between a decoupling capacitor and the AC-coupling capacitor in the oscilloscope.

Is this a test? Why would you want to go here? Noise or transient protection or decoupling from part of the circuit vs Signal or Voltage (could be considered the same thing) to couple Circuits together....

ORLY? Which "everyone" would that be? Is it usual practice to put a "decoupling cap" IN SERIES with a probe doing a measurement that will be used in a power computation? Let's see some references for that, if you don't mind. What is the difference between a high-pass filter and a decoupling capacitor?

OK, I admit, I should have spend more time here, I was trying to get rid of this silly! Concentrate on the topic at hand!

I'm not discussing your _measurements_ here, EMJunkie. After all, you haven't provided many to discuss, just that one scope screen with partial information and the _claim_, unsupported, of COP 1.7 in your pdf.

TinselKoala, my claims and what we are doing here will end up in one result in the end. Either people will adopt this and work and move forward, or it will de-rail and end in a train wreak! I don't want it to, but unfortunately its going this way now.

If one is to claim something, its not up to others to outright destroy credibility's of others to try to publicly make a fool of, to shut down the claim. I have seen this so many times in this forum! Maybe simply agreeing to disagree could be enough?

I'm discussing your demonstrated lack of knowledge about measurements, your oscilloscope, the functions of capacitors in circuits, your support of Bill Alek, and stuff like that. 

1: You don't know what I know and don't know! How could you?
2: I never claimed to be an Expert in Electronics, I know enough to get by most of the time.
3: I know exactly what a Cap can do and cant in a circuit!
4: Bill and I have had communications before. I trust Bill, I know he would never mislead others. Besides I know the storey behind How Bill got onto this technology and where it actually came from! If I told you, you would not believe me!
5: I have researched this stuff for a long time! I believe I have something to share that is of value!

When I see you posting stuff that I know is false, I'll speak up about it. In response to PIH123, who first brought up the issue (with a good outside reference), you responded, And that's false, and it is misleading to others who might be trying to learn to use an oscilloscope properly.

Yes, I agree, if its wrong then please correct me as you have tried to here now. If I may give you some advice, maybe try to approach it a slightly different way?

On this, I was always taught to use the correct coupling, AC for AC and DC for DC, its just something I was always told. I believe this to be MOSTY true even now! I was taught by an Old School genius. I know that its not always correct to do so but mostly it is! After all, why else would scopes have both AC and DC Coupling?

I was told RMS Values can be incorrect if DC Coupling is used, Math Functions can be obscured, and also that there are other issues with trace triggering...

This is of course after any underlying issues can be eliminated first.

So please, if this is all rubbish please correct me and I will go back to who taught me and stick the stick in them!

It's a profound _disservice_ to everybody to let stuff like that pass by.

Look, TinselKoala, this line is what got my attention! I respect you for this line! I completely agree 100% If something is wrong we need to work together to correct it and we should not bicker and piss each other off! Banging Dicks is not constructive and really it will not get us anywhere.

So, TinselKoala, do you want to try to help us out here? Are you keen to try to help us get to critical mass?

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   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

[EMJunkie]

@ALL,

Please keep the voting in the poll going if you have not already!

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[EMJunkie]

@ALL

I was put onto a URL that has an interesting experiment on it. Since, I have looked at the channel and found there are more interesting Videos there!

Thanks Tibal!

Check out the Channel as well as the Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGmow-MGGQ

From my experience, this guy is right about some of it but not all. Worth watching to see what this guy thinks...

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   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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