Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[Red_Sunset]

Picowatt,

   1: What's the point of using a Hydraulic Ram Pump then? I also have built Hydraulic Ram Pumps before. I certainly did not miss your apparent point...
   2: Any System that YOU the end user does not have to put Energy into it, I consider as a COP = Infinity - This is my View...
   3: Best you go back and read the pages, I proved my point then and easily can do so again. There is nothing wrong with AC Coupling as long as one has checked for DC Offset...

I mean, really, the Oscilloscope has a AC Coupling for what reason... Call any manufacturer and they will tell you exactly what I just said...

This is a ridiculous debate! So youre happy to push a Cart up the Hill, then Push it down again? Hahaha this is an exercise in Futility!!!

   Chris

Picowatt, Chris,

Let me get in between you two,  an understanding or deviation is always measured against a reference frame.
Both your reference frames are different

COP / Free Energy
Picowatt reference of understanding is measured against the thermo-dynamic laws.
Chris reference of understanding is measured against "free", like robbing a bank is "free money" and rain is free water.

It purely depends, what your angle is on the subject.
We can live with either, we can accept different viewpoints.  All what is required is an open mindset of wanting to understand someone else point of view ...versus... wanting to bend the others opinion to your straight and narrow view.

PS: Understanding an other viewpoint does not have to be synonymous to accepting that viewpoint

Red_Sunset

[picowatt]

Picowatt,

   1: What's the point of using a Hydraulic Ram Pump then? I also have built Hydraulic Ram Pumps before. I certainly did not miss your apparent point...

The point of using a ram pump is to take advantage of a source of "free" energy

   2: Any System that YOU the end user does not have to put Energy into it, I consider as a COP = Infinity - This is my View...

A ram pump, or any other solar powered system, DOES require that energy be input to the system.  By your definition, apparently, any system that operates from a source of energy that has zero cost $$ wise has a COP of infinity.  I would disagree.  A COP of infinity indicates to me that for a given amount of energy input to the system, an infinite amount is available as an output.  That is clearly not the case with a ram pump or it would be able to run my elevated tank example forever.  Your definition is more appropriate for the term "free" energy.

   3: Best you go back and read the pages, I proved my point then and easily can do so again. There is nothing wrong with AC Coupling as long as one has checked for DC Offset...

As long as there is no DC offset AND the waveform has perfect symmetry above and below its zero crossing, there will be little if any difference between AC/DC coupling.

For the power measurements you were presenting, DC coupling was way more appropriate.  There is little to debate.

As for any errors that using AC coupling may have produced in your measurements, they were likely less than the greater error you make by defending the use of AC coupling.

If your probe and scope ground were connected as has been discussed in this thread and over at OUR, your major measurement error was not related to AC coupling nearly so much as the error produced by not measuring directly across your load.

But i thought that subject was all settled quite a long time ago.

[MarkE]

Bill - At Bell Labs, back when you're Daddy was working for them, he called all major Oscilloscope Manufacturers and explained that their Oscilloscopes were all wrong and had to all have the AC Coupling removed from all their Lines of Manufacture... He did this to try to prove that the scopes were all wrong and had to only have DC Coupling!

Hahahahaha - Bill you're the Biggest FOOL on the Planet after MarkE!!!! You GOON!!!

If you only knew how stupid you look right now.

Bill (GOON) and all the other GOONs that agree that DC Coupling MUST have been used, because you made an ASSUMPTION along with MarkE's ridiculous Idiocies and TinselKoala's comments, that he later retracted because I had proven to him that I had checked the required possible measurement flaws, yet again I prove you to be an Idiot!

OMG - Daddy would be so very much ashamed of you right now Bill Goon Labs!!!

   Chris

P.S: AC Coupling is TOTALLY Correct for an AC Wave if one has checked for possible DC Offset - So Bill, you've yet again proven to all of the readers that you again don't know what you're talking about - Inbred Fool!

So, for each of the following waveforms, which should be selected on a typical oscilloscope:  AC coupling or DC coupling?

[EMJunkie]

The point of using a ram pump is to take advantage of a source of "free" energy

A ram pump, or any other solar powered system, DOES require that energy be input to the system.  By your definition, apparently, any system that operates from a source of energy that has zero cost $$ wise has a COP of infinity.  I would disagree.  A COP of infinity indicates to me that for a given amount of energy input to the system, an infinite amount is available as an output.  That is clearly not the case with a ram pump or it would be able to run my elevated tank example forever.  Your definition is more appropriate for the term "free" energy.

As long as there is no DC offset AND the waveform has perfect symmetry above and below its zero crossing, there will be little if any difference between AC/DC coupling.

For the power measurements you were presenting, DC coupling was way more appropriate.  There is little to debate.

As for any errors that using AC coupling may have produced in your measurements, they were likely less than the greater error you make by defending the use of AC coupling.

If your probe and scope ground were connected as has been discussed in this thread and over at OUR, your major measurement error was not related to AC coupling nearly so much as the error produced by not measuring directly across your load.

But i thought that subject was all settled quite a long time ago.

Finally, some common-sense! Thank You Picowatt!

Yes

Yes

Yup and Yes

Good, we now mostly agree on some simple principals... Mostly...

Good, lets get on with it...

[EMJunkie]

As long as there is no DC offset AND the waveform has perfect symmetry above and below its zero crossing, there will be little if any difference between AC/DC coupling.

Bill - See how Inbred you are!!!