Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[MileHigh]

I am going to briefly discuss bucking coils.   Assume all voltages referenced will be RMS voltages.

Let's assume a 100-turn primary drive coil, a pair of bucking coils B1 and B2 that are 300 turns each.   Assume the resistance of the primary is one ohm, and the resistance of B1 and B2 are three ohms each.   Let's call the two bucking coils when viewed as a single coil B12.  Assume the primary is always driven with 10 volts.

If you drive the primary with 10 volts, then when you measure B1 only, you will measure 30 volts.  When you measure B2 only you will measure 30 volts.

If you have a perfect match between B1 and B2, then the output across B12 will be zero volts no matter what the input voltage is.

Let's assume that the two bucking coils are not a perfect match.  Let's suppose B2 is only 200 turns.  Then you will be able to get an output from B12.  The net output from B12 is based on the number of turns in B1 minus the number of turns in B2.

Therefore, B12 will look like a 100-turn coil and the output from B12 will be 10 volts.

So, if you did a straight design the secondary would have 100 turns, and the resistance of the wire would be one ohm, and the output 10 volts.

The equivalent B12 configuration will have a coil resistance of five ohms, and the output will be 10 volts.

In summary:

Straight design:  10 volts output, output coil resistance one ohm.
Bucking design:  10 volts output, output coil resistance five ohms.

As you can see, it's a no-brainer that the straight design is going to outperform the bucking coil design.

If you have leakage inductance, than that will only serve to reduce the performance of the bucking coil design even further.

That's the real deal and anybody's experiments will show this kind of behaviour.  There is no secret sauce, there is no "one in ten builds will show over unity, etc, etc."  All of the complicated mumbojumbo talk is meaningless.  What you see above is the real deal.

The above analysis is just a straight nuts and bolts design characteristics study for a transformer.  And the test data will prove this to be true.

With respect to the power out vs. power in, you can safely assume that the power out will be less than the power in no matter what load resistance or bucking configuration you try.  I am not going to go into all of the changing flux and flux self-cancellation business.  Just looking at the input voltage vs. output voltage is all that you really need to understand the characteristics of the bucking coil transformer.  It's actually a nonsensical design and I can't think of a real-world application that would call for this type of design.

MileHigh

[Cap-Z-ro]

No, I made a lot of sense in that posting.  The majority of people will have the capability to read it and understand it perfectly.  You are in the minority.

In fact it's your posting that meets the definition of trolling.

It seems that I am among a plethora of people who recognize a troll when we see one.

Get ready folks, he's about to call for the waambulance...again.

Regards...

[a.king21]

MIle High: It would be nice to see an experiment proving what you say, as my experience is that theory is only a guide and there is always the potential for anomalies, or apparent anomalies.

[synchro1]

Itsu is on board and made his first clip which is fantastic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWdPYxvEDIA&feature=youtu.be

@MileHigh,

It's great that Itsu is on board with his test prototype. What really sucks is that you assholes already managed to run Chris off the thread along with any meaningful help from him!

[MileHigh]

A.King21:

I am not set up to experiment.  However, this is standard electronics knowledge.  If you really and truly understand how a transformer actually works then you should agree with me.  There is really nothing to prove.

On the other hand, if you are not aware of this, then you can simply do a setup for yourself and explore.  Instead of just doing a replication of someone else's design, build your own bucking coils transformer and do something very close to what I describe above.   For example, when you wind the bucking coils, when you are half-way through the winding process, make a tap connection to the outside world.  Then you can explore and understand the voltage relationships yourself.   Then open up a book and read and learn how a transformer works.  There will be no anomalies.

The bucking coil transformer could be made something like this:

Primary:                                        <tap>mmmmmmm<tap>
Bucking coils:  <tap>mmmm<tap>mmmmm<center tap>wwwww<tap>wwwwww<tap>

So instead of three connections for the bucking coils you make five connections.   Just the fact that you are asking me to "prove" this shows you are a beginner in electronics.  So please consider building a transformer like I described and then explore for yourself.

MileHigh