Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[Magluvin]

Not only is it hear say, it is ridiculous.  Think about what it is that ramset claims:  He claims that tinman was shut down at a late date by the Australian government but who let him tell the tale to ramset.  And what does ramset offer as corroborating evidence?  Ramset says that his hard drive failed.  Why would ramset's hard drive be relevant to tinman?  If the idea is that an overarching government conspiracy wants to suppress tinman, why would they allow tinman to tell the tale, or ramset to report it here?No, ramset made uncorroborated claims.  Saying that you believe something does not create evidence in favor of what you believe.Lots of people tell stories.  Where is the evidence?Really?  I thought it was obvious:  He demonstrated apparent behavior in an exercise to see where people would run with their assumptions.  He never suggested that he was somehow stopped by anyone.So you believe things.  Again:  Where is the evidence to support those beliefs?You and ramset claim suppression but so far your offered evidence is that you believe suppression has occurred.In order for anyone whose financial or power interests to be hurt by an OU technology, there has to be an actual OU technology.  The suppression conspiracy idea goes:  "Ooh Mr. X developed a working OU device!"  "And how do you know the device ever worked?"  "Because it was suppressed by the Powers that Be!"  "And how do you know that the device was suppressed?"  "Because Mr. X stopped talking about it before anyone verified it!"  "So:  You think the device that was never proven to work, worked because it was never proven to work?"  "Right!!!".
The absurdity of your argument can readily be demonstrated by noting that virtually any parent would be devastated were a demon to possess their child.  Yet the vast majority of parents do not go about spending their days trying to protect against such a thing.  Why?  Because they know better than to be worried about such an absurd possibility as a supernatural being taking over their child's body.  If you were to actually reason out what you claim: That the government has made energy independence illegal, then they have already thwarted individual generators, free or otherwise.  Nevermind that in many locations, the government heavily subsidizes independent energy generation with wind and solar subsidies right down to the end consumer.Yes you have.  But you have done so without showing any evidence for that could be a logical act.

"Not only is it hear say, it is ridiculous.  Think about what it is that ramset claims:  He claims that tinman was shut down at a late date by the Australian government but who let him tell the tale to ramset."

Well, in Chets post he says he is at the library using a pc to post because his computer is down.  So what is so impossible about the possibility of Brad has other ways of communicating with Chet without using his own internet or phone line/cell?

SO what are you saying about chet here if you are not calling him a liar? Is he just ridiculous??  Or didnt he post about it at all and we are all delusional?   So yeah, you are calling him a liar. He says brad told him what happened. So, if he is not lying, then what is it you are saying? Are you saying Brad is lying? Well you just denied that in your last post to shylo. So what is it? What is your 'speculation' really?  Because that is all you have is speculation, so your 'ridiculous' comments are null and void because you really dont know anything at all except for what you invent in your mind for posting.


" And what does ramset offer as corroborating evidence?"

Evidence of what? His truth or his lie? Which is it you are claiming?



"Ramset says that his hard drive failed.  Why would ramset's hard drive be relevant to tinman?  If the idea is that an overarching government conspiracy wants to suppress tinman, why would they allow tinman to tell the tale, or ramset to report it here?No, ramset made uncorroborated claims."

Uncorroborated claims?  That suggests you dont believe Brad there.  What would cause such disbelief? You disbelieve the 'uncorroborated claim' because you speculate that Brad is not telling the truth, no?

Chets hard drive? Who knows. Says they also shut down the long dist service also. Lies?  Or just a speculation of coincidence by you, and thats the end of that?      
Like I said, there are many avenues of communication. Telling the tale? Maybe letting that happen has useful purpose. Instilling fear in the readers of such. Or it lets people like you make it all look like a sham, so, so what if they tell the tale. It gives you something to do. The tale is a possible win win for them.




"The suppression conspiracy idea goes:  "Ooh Mr. X developed a working OU device!"  "And how do you know the device ever worked?"  "Because it was suppressed by the Powers that Be!"  "And how do you know that the device was suppressed?"  "Because Mr. X stopped talking about it before anyone verified it!"  "So:  You think the device that was never proven to work, worked because it was never proven to work?"  "Right!!!".

But you, you will say it doesnt work without proof. Do you have the little book next to the keyboard  "Illustrations Of Known Free Energy Devices For The Amateur Shill" so you can target a thread to attack when someone shows their project?


Mags

[TinselKoala]

REM IT CAN BE PROVEN THAT AN
ELECTROMAGNET WITH BIFILAR WINDING IS MUCH STRONGER THAN
STRAIGHT OUT WINDING. THAT IS WHY TESLA INVENTED IT

Can it be proven? Let's see the proof, then.

Is that really why Tesla invented it? Funny, I don't see any such claim in the bifilar coil patent # 512,340.

I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well-known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity, it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured. In the ordinary coils the difference of potential between adjacent turns or spires is very small, so that while they are in a sense condensers, they possess but very small capacity and the relations between the two quantities, self-induction and capacity, are not such as under any ordinary conditions satisfy the requirements herein contemplated, because the capacity relatively to the self-induction is very small.
In order to attain my object and to properly increase the capacity of any given coil, I wind it in such way as to secure a greater difference of potential between its adjacent turns or convolutions, and since the energy stored in the coil—considering the latter as a condenser, is proportionate to the square of the potential difference between its adjacent convolutions, it is evident that I may in this way secure by a proper disposition of these convolutions a greatly increased capacity for a given increase in potential difference between the turns.
................
What I claim as my invention is—
1. A coil for electric apparatus the adjacent convolutions of which form parts of the circuit between which there exists a potential difference sufficient to secure in the coil a capacity capable of neutralizing its self-induction, as hereinbefore described.
2. A coil composed of contiguous or adjacent insulated conductors electrically connected in series and having a potential difference of such value as to give to the coil as a whole, a capacity sufficient to neutralize its self-induction, as set forth.
NIKOLA TESLA.

[TinselKoala]

 

QUESTION 1. HAS
ANY BODY IN THIS CROWD WIRE UP AND TEST THIS ROTARY
TRANSFORMER.. ANSWER NO . BUT I HAVE.

I don't think you actually know what "any body in this crowd" may have done or not done. You certainly don't know what I have done... yet.

But since you say you HAVE done it, why haven't you been suppressed like TinMan has? Maybe it's because you haven't shown your test system working in a video?

[MarkE]

"Not only is it hear say, it is ridiculous.  Think about what it is that ramset claims:  He claims that tinman was shut down at a late date by the Australian government but who let him tell the tale to ramset."

Well, in Chets post he says he is at the library using a pc to post because his computer is down.  So what is so impossible about the possibility of Brad has other ways of communicating with Chet without using his own internet or phone line/cell?

Logic seems to be a stranger to you.  Let's take this very slowly:

Ramset claims that the Australian government shut tinman down.
He then asserts that they are so inept that they weren't monitoring / intercepting his mail accounts thus allowing him to communicate as he pleases.

As with many of the ridiculous conspiracy theories out there, they require the conspirators to be simultaneously omnipotent and grossly incompetent, making the conspiracy theory self-contradictory. 

SO what are you saying about chet here if you are not calling him a liar? Is he just ridiculous??

I spelled out that his story is ridiculous.

Or didnt he post about it at all and we are all delusional?   So yeah, you are calling him a liar.

Really?  You put yourself in quite a bind here.  You assert that I have called ramset a liar.  Let's see how truthfully challenged you are:  Post a quote from me where I said such a thing.  Since you cannot, you are making up ... LIES.

He says brad told him what happened. So, if he is not lying, then what is it you are saying?

Once again, I am saying that the story is ridiculous and without corroborating evidence.  Ergo the story is silly.

Are you saying Brad is lying?

LOL, remember hear say?  Where is a direct quote from tinman for which you seek my opinion?  Oh, that's right:  You don't have one.

Well you just denied that in your last post to shylo. So what is it? What is your 'speculation' really?  Because that is all you have is speculation, so your 'ridiculous' comments are null and void because you really dont know anything at all except for what you invent in your mind for posting.

LOL.  If that's what you call logic, then that's nice for you.

" And what does ramset offer as corroborating evidence?"

Evidence of what? His truth or his lie? Which is it you are claiming?

Yes, what evidence does ramset offer to corroborate his over the top claims?

"Ramset says that his hard drive failed.  Why would ramset's hard drive be relevant to tinman?  If the idea is that an overarching government conspiracy wants to suppress tinman, why would they allow tinman to tell the tale, or ramset to report it here?No, ramset made uncorroborated claims."

Uncorroborated claims?  That suggests you dont believe Brad there.  What would cause such disbelief? You disbelieve the 'uncorroborated claim' because you speculate that Brad is not telling the truth, no?

Once again you jump into the well of logic fail.  Those who act rationally test premises with evidence commensurate to the claim.  I was not a party to anything tinman allegedly said.  There is no recording or third party witnesses to corroborate ramset's representations.  Therefore there is no way to determine whether tinman said what ramset claims.  Neither do you offer any additional evidence.

Chets hard drive? Who knows. Says they also shut down the long dist service also. Lies?  Or just a speculation of coincidence by you, and thats the end of that?      

It doesn't matter whether it is true or false.  I asked you how it bears on the wild claim that the Australian government supposedly shut down tinman.  You offer the report without establishing any relationship.

Like I said, there are many avenues of communication. Telling the tale? Maybe letting that happen has useful purpose. Instilling fear in the readers of such. Or it lets people like you make it all look like a sham, so, so what if they tell the tale. It gives you something to do. The tale is a possible win win for them.

Sure, offer more wild speculation.  Anyone can play at that game.  A poster on the internet can act so foolishly as to discredit the claims he/she supposedly advance.  Now someone with weak logic can try and figure out if your vaccuous arguments are really just "part of the plan".

"The suppression conspiracy idea goes:  "Ooh Mr. X developed a working OU device!"  "And how do you know the device ever worked?"  "Because it was suppressed by the Powers that Be!"  "And how do you know that the device was suppressed?"  "Because Mr. X stopped talking about it before anyone verified it!"  "So:  You think the device that was never proven to work, worked because it was never proven to work?"  "Right!!!".

But you, you will say it doesnt work without proof. Do you have the little book next to the keyboard  "Illustrations Of Known Free Energy Devices For The Amateur Shill" so you can target a thread to attack when someone shows their project?

Conservation of energy is well proven.  It is up to any challengers to disprove it.  Can you name any who have?

Mags

[Magluvin]

Unevidenced and/or wrong do not require intent.LOL building men of straw now?LOL, now you go from kooky conspiracy to complete fabrication. If you can still find it or saved a copy, try watching his briefly published video of the "whipmag".  Compare the circumstances of that video to his typical videos.  Compare the detail compared to his usual videos.  If you can find them, pay attention to his comments.  Then go look up the energy capacity of an ordinary AA alkaline battery.Good then there is no reason to TK as an as an example in your effort to argue that tinman was stopped.Who does he owe any explanation to?  He presented something on a you tube video, sat back and watched the reactions.  Imagine that:  an internet hoax!  Who would have thought?Did OC, or Harvey, or you make a machine that ran itself?  You say were were involved.  Wasn't that whole escapade the better part of a decade ago?  Have any of you been able to produce any proof of concept of excess energy from magnets?

"Unevidenced and/or wrong do not require intent."

Blah blah blah.  You are calling someone a liar. Whether it is Chet or Brad, you are saying the statement from Chet is untrue because of no corroborated evidence.



" LOL building men of straw now?"

This is what I said for you to reply with the above....  "And you are saying it is impossible for them to communicate further if it were true???"


I said if it were true.  What ever dude. According to you it is not true. So you blast out with the reasoning of why the gov would let them talk.  Maybe they think they scared them enough not to have to worry about it further. Maybe the gov there is on crack.  Who knows. But so far the understanding is that they had the balls to make those communications. But you suggest it is all bunk baloney. So you are saying someone is lying. You certainly are not calling it all a real situation, which insinuates untruth somewhere. So cut the crap, "Where would you get such an idea?  Kindly quote where you allege I ever suggested such a thing."   lol, yeah right.





"f you can still find it or saved a copy, try watching his briefly published video of the "whipmag".  Compare the circumstances of that video to his typical videos.  Compare the detail compared to his usual videos.  If you can find them, pay attention to his comments.  Then go look up the energy capacity of an ordinary AA alkaline battery."


What the heck does the capacity of a AA battery have to do with the whipmag? You show me the refference. Ive watched the vids many times. Show me the reference to a AA battery.  Thats your call. You produce that evidence.




"Compare the circumstances of that video to his typical videos.  Compare the detail compared to his usual videos."

Yes. Compare.  Show me where he does a vid that is a hoax. How many? Just that one? Well that doesnt coincide with his 'normal' vids. So why should his whip vids 'be any different'? TK is not known to do such things. Even if he does a comical parody of a device, he explains pretty much what is going on.
If TK comes on here ad says it was run off of a AA battery, then you win. lol  what a joke. Otherwise, show me proof, clear evidence that it was a hoax. Can you do that Mark. Can you?? I believe not. So your full of it.

Mags