Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[Void]

Anybody that has been following this thread knows that I have already covered this.  If the bucking coils are perfectly matched, the voltage across them will be zero.  The the attached scope capture shows where they are not a perfect match, but very close.  If one coil is at +5.0 volts, and the other coil is at +5.1 volts, then the voltage across the two coils is 0.1 volts.

Hi MileHigh. I have done a fair bit of experimenting with various coils wound in opposing orientation
and it is not quite so straight forward. Frequency of operation is also a factor here as well.
I have seen cases where for most frequencies what you say is correct, but at certain frequencies
for some reason you can measure a large imbalance between the two terminal voltages. Also
something else that some people may be overlooking is that when you connect a scope probe
across those terminals such that the probe ground clip is on one terminal and the probe tip is on the
other terminal, the scope probe is unbalanced and can unbalance the balanced coil output terminals,
causing you to measure a large voltage difference across the two terminals. As soon as you remove
the scope probe the voltage across say a resistor attached to the two terminals will drop back close to zero.
This is because the output terminals of the opposing windings are balanced until you connect something
which is unbalanced like a scope probe, or if you connect an Earth ground connection to one of the terminals.
Doing this unbalances the overall coil configuration and it starts to work differently. Anyone who has actually done
some experimentation with this sort of configuration should be aware of this however. Adding an Earth ground
or scope probe ground won't always unbalance such a configuration, as it also seems to depend on the exact
overall winding configuration and coil placement. etc., and the frequency you are running at.

The analysis of these sort of circuits is really not so straight forward at all when you consider all the different possible
winding variations and coil placement and frequency of operation, etc. Also, another important factor in these
configurations is of course the type of ferrite material that as being used as a core, if a person is using a ferrite core. Different
ferrite materials can produce some different and interesting results at certain frequencies as well. It is easy to dismiss things
outright, but clearly there are a lot of variables in this sort of configuration and various interesting effects can certainly sometimes
be observed. Whether certain configurations can really lead to over unity or not I can't say, but a person just never knows
unless they at least try and put in some real effort. Even then you could still overlook something, especially if a person already has 
their mind made up that over unity is not possible. 

All the best...

[orbut 3000]

This is a little off-topic but maybe the coprophiles should consider to discuss their fetish in a more appropriate place.
-Coprophilia is off-topic.
-Could demonstrably false claims of overunity also considered off-topic?

Perhaps Stefan should add a new sub-forum for discussing coprophilia.

[MileHigh]

Void:

Sorry but your response to my posting is wrong on many levels.  It's understood that I am talking about normal frequency ranges.  Almost every circuit will start to exhibit phase shift at higher frequencies because of capacitive and inductive effects.  As far as the alleged imbalance goes when you connect a probe across the pair of bucking coils, that makes no sense.  The bucking coils are isolated from the primary coil and that should not happen.  If you do see it happen and you _know_ it's not supposed to happen then you need to investigate and find out why.  However, it will not be because of some "unique or unknown" property of bucking coils themselves.  The important message here is you do not just blindly accept something that should not be happening and instead call it an "unusual property" of bucking coils.  The argument about "all possible variations and combinations, etc" is also not a valid argument.  You are supposed to know how a transformer works, regular or bucking, and know what to do and where to go in your testing.  If you followed your logic then you simply can never test a circuit completely because there are essentially infinite variations to test.  Different ferrite materials have different properties and they all will steal some of your source energy away in the form of heat and vibration and everyone should know this.  There will never be a "magic" ferrite to use for a bucking coil transformer.  If you are going to do full exhaustive testing, the main line of investigation would be to do a frequency sweep for every test procedure and record the response.  This all a standard and anyone that knows electronics knows  this.

In summary, sure do exhaustive testing if you want.  That's all fine.  But there is no hunting for a needle in a haystack looking for over unity with what is really and truly nothing more than a transformer.  I sure if you looked around for spec sheets, in some of them there will be between 20 and 30 plots for all of the relevant parameters and most of them will have one dimension being the frequency axis.

Now I realize that "looking for a needle in a haystack" would be considered a valid thing to do on the forums.  I'm sure that Chris will use this line of reasoning because he is already there.  But in the end, there is going to have to be closure on this issue and there is only so many haystacks you can look through before you have to call the tests off and simply share your data with your peers.

MileHigh

[Void]

Milehigh. There are no restrictions on what frequencies a person can test with. People are looking for the unusual here.
I am pointing out that characteristics of any sort of transformers can change at different frequencies
as well as with positioning of the primary coil with respect to the two secondary coils on a ferrite rod, type
of ferrite, etc. I also didn't say ground or a scope probe unbalancing a transformer is a property of bucking coils.
The same unbalancing can occur with regular transformer arrangements as well.

If you use any sort of transformer in a typical way you should get typical results, that is to be expected.
Clearly though, what people are looking for here are not usual results, so doing unconventional things
and looking for unexpected results and unusual effects that normally might be avoided are what people
are often doing.  For example, deliberately switching a ferrite core coil in and out of saturation
to see if you can get anything useful, where normally you would instead take steps to avoid saturation.
Again, it is obvious that if you do everything as normal you should get normal and expected results, but that is of
course not what people are interested in when looking for OU. People looking for unusual effects is for certain
nothing for anyone to get into a twist about. Most people looking into this stuff are doing it as a hobby.
They just like messing around with such things. Everybody has different backgrounds and different levels of experience.
Sometimes people are right about things they claim or assume, and sometimes they are wrong. It happens every day
all over this world in regards to most anything. It is certainly nothing to have fits about. If I go through a day where I
didn't make a mistake or say something wrong, then I am have having a pretty good day. Relax man.
The world is not going to end because of some hobby experimenting or because someone made a
claim about some experiment they conducted which might be wrong.

All the best...

[TinselKoala]

Testbed with Secret of DPDT and op-amp based push-pull power transistor driver: