Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[John.K1]

Hi Void. You say U got COP >6? That's candidade for self runner
Why to bother with measurements? My opinion is - there is no right measurement. Any connected device will interfer with the cuircuit especially when working with HF. Only SOLID prove of OU is to loop it.

[MarkE]

I have come up with a transformer winding arrangement that, based on the measurements anyway, is measuring as an efficiency greater than 100%.
The power levels are so small that measurement error tolerances are probably fairly significant here however.
I will need to come up with a higher voltage sine wave generator driver to test at higher power levels.

I am not claiming that the transformer really is over unity, but I am pretty sure that the measurements are about as best as
could be done, given the low signal levels and the equipment I have available. Maybe some measurement improvements can be made.
I am attaching a circuit layout diagram with arrows drawn on it showing where I connected in the scope probes.
The arrow heads show where the scope probe connections were made.
I have a two channel scope, so I made the input voltage and current measurements first, and then moved the two
scope probes over and measured the output voltage and current. No noticeable change in LED brightness occurred when I moved the two scope probes over to the output.
I used the data sample logging feature of my DSO to save the waveform sample data to USB, (20,480 samples per waveform) and then used
a spreadsheet to calculate the instantaneous power for each voltage and current data set, and then took the average of the calculated
instantaneous power values to get the average power.
Channel 1 = Yellow = Voltage waveforms (set to x10)
Channel 2 = Blue = Current waveforms. (set to x1)
Current is measured across a 1 ohm, 2W carbon film current sensing resistor, 5% tolerance (all I have available right now).

Transformer is just a ferrite toroid with my special winding arrangement on it. I am not using bucking coils in this arrangement.
This is all I will say about the transformer windings for the time being at least. Just wanted to show that it is apparently possible to
wind a transformer in such a way that if all the phases and reactance and back EMF and what have you are balanced just right, it appears
you can get a current cancelling effect on the transformer primary winding, causing the input current to be quite small, while still
being able to deliver some measureable power to a load. Again, I am not claiming that this is over unity. I am just reporting the measurement
numbers as they came out, and how it appears the transformer may be working. 

My load for this test was two back to back jumbo white LEDs. I haven't tried with just a pure resistive load yet,
so I am not sure if that will give the same results. I may well have to do retuning to try to get the same sort of input
current cancelling effect on the primary, and I am not sure yet if I will be able to do it with a different load. I may
have just got lucky with the LEDs, or maybe the LEDs play a role in being able to get this sort of result. Not sure yet...
Anyway, just wanted to show an example of some of the interesting effects you can get when playing around with different
types of transformer winding arrangements. I will need to try this same sort of test at higher power levels to see if I can
get this same sort of effect at higher power, or if this effect was just some oddity due to having very small signal levels.

Input power calculated as: 199.3uW
Output power calculated as: 1.231 mW
Efficiency = 1.231mW / 199.3uW = 6.177 --> 617.7%  (Again, yes I know the signal levels are too small to be able to draw any conclusions)
These are just what the measurements showed. No claims are implied or being made beyond reporting the numbers. 
Rude or nasty replies will be ignored. 

All the best...

Did you calibrate/compensate your CSR gains versus frequency?  A little inductance in a CSR can make for very screwed up measurements.

[MileHigh]

Void:

Very good first step and nice description and schematic, etc.  So far you are doing a great job of documenting yourself.

I have no direct experience with DSOs and I don't know if you are taking a USB model or a stand-alone DSO.  Nonetheless, let me share a few thoughts with you.  I was going to discuss stitching a perfect integer number of waveform samples together to get accurate average values or simply using the long-term averaging function to get accurate computed average power values but I see something jumping out at me.

It looks like something is amiss with the (presumably) blue input current waveform.  You are driving LEDs, so at the peaks of the input voltage waveform you should see a lot of current, and that is not the case on your capture.  I suggest that you double-check that.

Also, your frequency is rather high.  That can induce phase shifts that just might be different from the "real" phase shift so you have to be careful about that.  In theory, you should get the effect over a wide range of frequencies.  If you don't, that's another thing to ponder.

MileHigh

[John.K1]

Thinking about that Kunels generator. He says that shielding coil should have the same number of turns and cross sectional area. Why? What that coil else does? Is there just only for shealding? It would be possibly better than to spin between some sandviched disc(Al+Fe shets) with slots in it. Some question- what is really going on in this device? Something is missing there On his picture.

[TinselKoala]

TK:

Thanks for your long reply, it was very informative.  I just want to zero in on the point below and make a comment or two:

Okay so that would imply that _some_ of the electronics inside a standard analog scope have to be running off of an isolation transformer, no?

The logic is this:   The scope probes are grounded to the third prong.  Therefore the input amps inside the scope have to be able to "understand" a potential difference between the third-prong ground and the signal lead.  The input amps need power also.  That power must be referenced to the third-prong ground.  Ergo, there must be an isolation transformer inside the scope to convert <neutral - hot> AC power into <third-prong - internal-power> to power the input amps and other things.

Think about a standard analog scope.  The signal input amps and the vertical amp that deflects the electron beam have to have a common voltage reference, which would be the third-prong ground.  So I am assuming that a full analog scope that ostensibly is not isolated, has to have at least one smalish isolation transformer in it so that some of the guts can operate relative to the third-prong ground reference.

Here's the portion of the Tek 2213a/2215 schematic that shows the power input, below. Note the "note"! The big transformer that is off the page to the right does the isolation function that you are talking about, if I am understanding your meaning. Note the FWB that makes DC, and the white triangle arrowheads which indicate a circuit "ground" or common that is different from the chassis ground.

I am assuming (I stopped looking at schematics years ago) that it is somewhat simpler for digital scopes these days.  Only the on-board A/D converters need to function relative to the third-prong ground reference.  Hence, a very small isolation transformer is needed.   To bridge the communications between the precision A/D and the display frame buffer, they probably use an optical interconnect.  So the main guts of a digital scope are powered from <neutral - hot> and the acquisition data link is optical.

I am just assUming

MileHigh