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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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Quote from: wistiti on December 14, 2015, 11:04:43 PM
Please Chris do not "burn" yourself in explanation with those who just whant to theorise... They have much to realise of the "strange" things happen with the POC if they built it...
And then, share our BUILDERS experiment may be the way to go. ;)


Hi My Friend!

You're right, I can only do so much ;)

I don't want to confuse anyone, sharing too much might not be the best way to go.

I have always felt it very important that we get people thinking for themselves. I don't want to be like the rest, taking so many important secrets to the grave. I want to share and get everyone moving. But it seems so many are just not ready.

The ones that are ready will learn and build, like we have. At least this information is here for those that wish to learn.

   Chris Sykes
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digitalindustry

Quote from: wistiti on December 14, 2015, 11:04:43 PM
Please Chris do not "burn" yourself in explanation with those who just whant to theorise... They have much to realise of the "strange" things happen with the POC if they built it...
And then, share our BUILDERS experiment may be the way to go. ;)

here is a message i just shared -

http://overunity.com/16167/sharing-ideas-on-how-to-make-a-more-efficent-motor-using-flyback-moderated/msg468533/#msg468533

Tinman and others are aware of this i'm sure.

i'm sure you can read though my less than adequate English ha ha

EMJunkie

Quote from: digitalindustry on December 15, 2015, 12:30:26 AM
here is a message i just shared -

http://overunity.com/16167/sharing-ideas-on-how-to-make-a-more-efficent-motor-using-flyback-moderated/msg468533/#msg468533

Tinman and others are aware of this i'm sure.

i'm sure you can read though my less than adequate English ha ha

Quote from: digitalindustry on December 15, 2015, 12:17:45 AM
this made me laugh.

: D

how long before the 'doers' ignore that 'testers' ?

to me unless you have video of a device it's hard to call yourself a 'peer' (i include myself in that presently)

history shows that your paper qualification are worthless and that's what i think they are indeed.

it's good to get measurements and learn but better to experiment and make something work and then work backwards to learn, or simply build another device and see the different.

this makes me think this is why all the great innovations have been discovered by 'doers'

take Hendershot as a good example.

Luc it is just my (non peer) humble opinion, focus on symmetry and geometry in building just as much as 'ohms' 'volts' and 'currents' life is much more simple than the 'paperwork' guys make out.

It is my opinion that their aim is to tie you guys down in numbers and bullshit

think about this...

how much time would you spend arguing around the why of numbers with lot so these guys, as opposed to just building a whole new device with a variation on an original device that say didn't function as you expected.

my guess is at a point of tinkering you will see the simplicity in geometry, and this is all related to the reward of innovation

some people here what their aim to do is to tie you practical guys down in numbers, and take the reward of innovation away.

i.e it is their aim to try to make this shit boring and waste your time.

when it is clear, it is not boring you and Tinman (and others) are breaking new ground each day.

so just keep doing what you are doing, and hopefully more doers will participate.


I had a Giggle at this - It is so true.

Digital, you're so right!!!

Nice post!

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EMJunkie



An interesting passage I wanted to share: William J Hooper - New Horizons In Electric, Magnetic & Gravitational Field Theory

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Let us now examine the origin and basic nature of the motional electric field with its unusual property.

Em = V x B. This vector field equation was derived by Lorentz from the empirical force formula of Biot and Savart. This is the electric field which is present in the moving wires constituting the armature coils of an electric generator. It causes an emf to exist in a conductor by virtue of motion across magnetic flux. Such induction is called a motionally induced emf or flux cutting emf. As we shall see, this field has some of the most unusual and interesting properties conceivable. Page and Adams have emphasized one of these unique properties. They point out in the case of the generator with a rotating armature coil that this field, "exists only in the moving conductor" --- where moving electric charges are present --- "since no electric field is present in the observer's reference frame" (21 ~ Page & Adams, op. cit., p. 16). Let us examine this aspect of the field more closely, for neither the electrostatic field nor the Et field possesses this property, for these fields can exist in an observer's reference frame, whether a conducting circuit, or conductor, or charge is at hand or not.

Three essential operational ingredients are necessary to bring this Em field into existence: (1) A constant magnetic induction B, (2) an electrically charged particle e (22 ~ the charged particle may be an electron in a piece of matter, or free as in a gas), a relative velocity v between the particle and the reference frame of the magnetic source producing B. A deflecting force will act upon the particle wherever it moves across magnetic flux lines. As viewed from the reference frame of the particle, this force (v x B) has many aspects of a real electric field and in fact it is termed a motionally induced electric field having an intensity (v x B) per unit charge. In the reference frame of the magnetic source giving rise to B only a magnetic field is present. One observes that the moving charge is acted upon by a force which to all appearances is wholly magnetic in nature. Whether we think of it as a deflecting magnetic force or an electric field, it is obvious that it exists only at the points in space where moving charges, either free or in matter, are present, for stationary electric charges are unaffected. In a vacuum, or in space between moving electric charges, no Em field or deflecting magnetic force exists. Hence it must necessarily have a spotty, or discontinuous nature. How can this be possible?

Let us proceed as Mason and Weaver have suggested by considering "a quantitative description of the individual behavior of charges". Let a positively charged particle with mass m and charge e be projected into a vacuum chamber with uniform velocity vo at right angles to the direction of uniform magnetic flux B. The particle has initial kinetic energy T = 1/2 m vo2. By Ampere's Law, the moving particle (or current element) is surrounded by a concentric distribution of magnetic flux.

It will be acted upon by a mechanical deflecting force F = e vo x B.

It will also be readily seen that this force on the charged particle exists only when there is a magnetic field about the particle. The force is actually the force of lateral repulsion between two magnetic fields. Without the presence of both magnetic fields, no such force exists, hence the existence of f requires the simultaneous presence of all three of its essential components, e, v and B. The actual action on the charged particle is magnetic in character, rather than electrical.

Let us next observe that the force f always acts at right angles to both v and B. Since the displacement of the particle is always in a direction at right angles to the force, this force can do no work on the charged particle upon which it acts, and no energy is extracted from B. This force, arising from the magnetic repulsion between two magnetic fields, one due to the moving particle, and the other due to the applied B, acts like a circular deflecting constraint or baffle, which only changes the direction but not the magnitude of the velocity of the particle. The speed of the particle and hence its kinetic energy remain unchanged. It is well known that such force will cause the particle to travel in a circular path, the radius of which is readily obtained by equating the force Bevo to the centrifugal force mvo2/r and solving for r, r = mvo/eB. The particle is thus trapped by the magnetic field, which will hold it to a circular path until its original kinetic energy is dissipated by collisions with neighboring particles, or by radiation.




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EMJunkie



Now Imagine the Wire, the coiled Conductor, as the fore mentioned Vacuum Tube!!!

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