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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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MarkE

Quote from: MileHigh on April 24, 2015, 10:33:40 AM
Indeed.  Referencing useless papers for clowns written by clowns.

This is all I had to read to smell junk, "This invention greatly enhances the ability to generate magnetic fields with a given amount of wire."

Yeah, sure.  You exposed Junkie for his total lack of analytical skills to distinguish junk from crap from the real thing.

Electronics wannabe goobers unaware of their own severe limitations blissfully gobbling up junk like so many sweet jellybeans.

I don't have high expectations for the "research team."
It is pretty priceless. 

allcanadian

@EMJunkie
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AC, I too have seen Objects, many times that are shall we say, are Black, or
Out of this world.

I saw a craft once, Circular, with a Black centre,
almost a hole in the middle, the centre of the craft was possibly deforming
Light... It was dark and the centre of the craft was darker still.
I have
seen many objects that all were very unconventional.
A little sarcasm here
if I may?
My eyes send little messages to my brain, my brain interprets these
data packets, and Common Sense Takes Control and a Flag is pops up..... Ah must
be a Hoax...
Now seriously, There is more evidence for these Craft than there
is evidence against them. It is only something that a Witness of such an event
can really conceive. It can be considered Life Changing, Eye Opening and
astounding all at the same time.
This is sort of the same as all things,
sometimes one may not believe until they experience...

I think it helps to put it into perspective, I believe I was 38 at the time and I have always spent a great deal of time outdoors. In 38 years I had never seen anything like this however I just so happen to go outside at 11pm, I just so happen to be looking in that direction, the weather was favorable and I witnessed a 30 second event in the middle of nowhere which changed my life. As such I think the odds of anyone witnessing these events are so remote that it is understandable why many might believe it cannot be true. However this in no way implies it is not true and as you say the evidence for it is growing at a fairly good pace.

The same applies to electrodynamics and the circuits we might build and many can go a lifetime and see nothing of consequence however in some cases when everything just so happens to be correct we might notice something out of the ordinary. The right place, the right time, the right conditions and we are present to observe the events with an open mind. The odds are astronomical however again this in no way implies the event is not true, it means the event is very unlikely. Hell the odds of winning the lotto are in fact astronomical however some lucky person seems to win one every week. It would be easy to argue that I personally would never win the lotto in my lifetime however there is no proof anyone could offer that I won't because again some lucky person wins the lotto every single week.
At which point it should become obvious that unlikely, improbable or even astronomical odds in no way imply impossible and some have taken these terms completely out of context.

TK's post concerning a magnet and conductor rotating in the same direction was a good example and the odds of a person thinking to imagine such an experiment and then get all the necessary conditions perfectly correct is remote at best. Now should we believe TK?, why should we believe him anymore that anyone else when his story seems as far fetched as any other story here?. Where are his facts and graphs and charts and measures and procedures and pictures and proof?. However I think most do believe him as do I....thus it was never really about the facts was it?. It was about who claimed to have the facts and we come full circle back to that same old story of discrimination. As if to say if you ain't in the group then your vote don't count and they thought nobody was watching, lol.

AC
Knowledge without Use and Expression is a vain thing, bringing no good to its possessor, or to the race.

TinselKoala

Taking the numbers as cited, let's do a little math, shall we.

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                                     Resistance Inductance    Current         Gauss   Force
                                       (ohms)     (mH)    (Amps @ 5VDC) @ 5VDC   (gms)
Mirror Image Symmetry        2.0       1.08               2.45           121.2    340
Standard Winding                 7.3       4.28               0.68            58.5     169

This is indeed laughable.

The "mirror image symmetry" is running at 5 VDC and 2.45 amps, for an input power of 12.25 Watts. This means it is taking about 0.101 Watts per Gauss of field produced, and is producing 1 gram of force for each 0.036 Watts of input power.
12.25 W / 121.2 gauss = 0.101 Watts per Gauss
12.25 W / 340 gm f = 0.036 Watts per Gram-force

The Standard Winding is running at 5 VDC and 0.68 amps, for an input power of 3.4 Watts. This means it is taking about 0.0581 Watts per Gauss of field produced, and is producing 1 gram of force for each 0.02 Watts of input power. 
3.4 W / 58.5 gauss = 0.0581 Watts per Gauss
3.4 W / 169 gm f = 0.0201 Watts per Gram-force

The power dissipated as heat in the "mirror image symmetry" winding is I2R = 2.45A x 2.45A x 2.0 ohms = 12 Watts.
The power dissipated as heat in the standard winding is I2R = 0.68A x 0.68A x 7.3 ohms = 3.4 Watts.

For the output measures shown, Gauss and Grams of Force and wasted heat .... the Standard Winding is FAR MORE EFFICIENT than the "mirror image" symmetry winding.
The "mirror symmetry winding" wastes 12/3.4 = about 3.53 TIMES as much power as heat as the Standard Winding.
The Standard winding makes 0.101/ 0.0581 = about 1.74 TIMES MORE magnetic field per unit of input power than the "mirror symmetry" winding.
The Standard winding makes 0.036/0.0201 = about 1.79 TIMES MORE Force per unit of input power than the "mirror symmetry" winding.

Please check my math, I just woke up and haven't even finished my coffee yet.

The conclusions stated in the quoted excerpt above aren't even supported by the author's OWN DATA !!

MarkE

Magical thinking is not very productive.  Whatever you thought you perceived in the darkness you are at the severe disadvantage of being unable to further investigate to find out what it really might be.  Matters of electronics as simple as winding a couple of coils can be and have been investigated at great length and employed in industry.  Bucking coils have been used for decades with completely ordinary results.  EMJ reported making measurements in completely inappropriate ways and observing what he claimed was special:  Garbage In / Garbage Out.

EMJ makes representations that have been fully and completely refuted.  He offers no evidence that contradicts the refutations.  He did dig up a paper written by a guy who seemed oblivious to over 150 years experience winding coils who thought he had invented something by unwinding a coil, cutting the wire in half and winding the coil up again.  His own published results showed nothing unexpected or even useful.  Rewinding with wire three AWG step down yields nearly identical results.  EMJ holds up such ignorance as indicative of what is special about his claims.  In doing so, he simply reinforces the ignorance behind his claims.

allcanadian

@Mark E
I think we could sum up your little spiel by simply saying, I do not believe him therefore it cannot be true. Does that about cover it Mark?.
Knowledge without Use and Expression is a vain thing, bringing no good to its possessor, or to the race.