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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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Quote from: tinman on May 07, 2015, 08:01:03 AM
is the magnetic field strongest around the outer edge of the core,or is the magnetic field strongest in the center of the core?.
The flux is denser near the inner edge of a toroidal core as shown in Fig.2

MarkE

Quote from: Red_Sunset on May 07, 2015, 06:24:38 AM
John,

Sure, it is a nice visualization in slow motion of a jelly type substance, 
The question is what do we need to understand from this visualization in relationship to the topic at hand ?
From a collision viewpoint,  a car crash would also be spectacular in slow motion.

With reference to a initiated magnetic field, if setup as shown in the video, I wouldn't see it as a collision in a singular direction.
I gather it would be more like establishing a domain of influence in 3D originating from each coil center, adopting a 3d distortion where the 2 fields meet.

Just a viewpoint,  Red
Static and dynamic magnetic fields superimpose linearly.  This has been established through countless experiments.   It is a very important issue in signal propagation in: semiconductors, circuit boards, fiber optics, and radio.

MarkE

Quote from: Red_Sunset on May 07, 2015, 09:48:21 AM
MileHigh,
I am surprised, although I am sure that it must be misunderstanding, a misinterpreting from my side.

I always thought that fields of same direction repelled,  Magnetic fields from different sources can not exists in the same point space.
Sure the total sum of 2 or more fields in a encompassing space is the vector sum of all.  No unique field occupies the same point space of an other unique field, although this doesn't mean a field can not be neutralized if it originates from the ~ same point space. (as with a bifilar, with each filar having the same but counter current)
Magnetic fields exist in space, but they do not consist of some elements that individually consume space.  There is not a limit to the amount of flux that can be contained in say a liter.
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Back to the video with the 2 blobs on the holder, we assume the holder to be the coil and the blobs to be opposing pulsed fields.  I would guess they just repulse each other in a collision just like the jello blobs but their visual effect will be like 2 coil aura's colliding, not splattering in a radial direction  The passing of the field through each other, I do not see possible.
The fields each act as though the other is not there.  The effect on any object is the same as a single field that is the linear sum of the separate fields.
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Your footnote,
And yes, I do understand what you are saying to me. I think that I am grasping quite fine simple facts
What do I do ?  I have no intention to convert you,  I just go forward with an open mind and allow some madness from people I meet so long it is forwardly stimulating.

Cheers, Red (stripe)???

Red_Sunset

Quote from: MarkE on May 07, 2015, 10:45:57 AM
Magnetic fields exist in space, but they do not consist of some elements that individually consume space.  There is not a limit to the amount of flux that can be contained in say a liter.The fields each act as though the other is not there.  The effect on any object is the same as a single field that is the linear sum of the separate fields.

Quote from: MileHigh today
The simple fact is that magnetic fields don't interact with each other at all.  They pass right through each other like the other magnetic field didn't even exist.  In more technical terms, the magnetic field is a vector with magnitude and direction.  When two separate magnetic fields share the same physical space, they simply undergo vector addition which yields a net magnetic field in the same physical space.
Chris' little video clip with the two blobs of jelly hitting each other is completely and utterly wrong.  The real representation of magnetic fields with respect to the flying blobs of jelly would be that the two blobs of jelly would pass right through each other as if the other blob did not even exist.

Mark,
I find your answers are not addressing the issue, the questions originated from MileHigh statements remain.

To simplify: 
2 bar magnets placed parallel and in proximity of each other, repel each other.  The reasons why they do so contradicts MH statement.

Fields that fly through each other  ?  provide some evidence
Fields that mix like color in white paint ?  provide some evidence
Fields that jockey for position in a repulsive interaction ?  Yes, ok
The vector algebraic summing of fields ?  yes, ok

Red


MileHigh

Nobody questions the fact that there is a force between two opposing or attracting magnetic fields.  But the fact remains that the two magnetic fields do not interact with each other.  The force is taken for granted and therefore is intentionally omitted from the hypothetical  example.

There is no "two blobs of goop crashing into each other and deforming" when it comes to magnetic fields as shown in the clip.  That is the point.

Taking it one step further, how do you even make an analogy between a magnetic field and a flying pie of goop like in the clip?  You have to take lots of liberties to do that.  In fact there is no valid analogy there at all, it's actually ridiculous and makes no sense.  So the fact that I omitted the issue of the force and concentrated on the issue of the fields themselves is reasonable.

The "nut case" quotient needs to be reduced and the signal to noise ratio needs to go up when having these types of discussions.  This fetish to "want to believe in the alternative even if it makes no sense" is something that a lot of people need to get over.