Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[John.K1]

I just got an Idea. I have some ferofluid at home. I will make a thick sandwich of the fluid between the thick foils for lamination.  Similar or same as the Apophasis device. I think Apophasis used some length. I have also some plastic magnifying sheets for reading, but I do not think I will use it. The experiment just for fun 

[tinman]

I must have posted about 100 times over the years that there is no such thing as a north and south pole with respect to a magnetic field.  They are just artificial concepts that make it easy to discuss and apply magnetic fields in practical applications.

Perhaps this is a good time to forget about the bench for a while and open up a book.

MH
We know this,but we use north and south to describe which end of the field we are talking about. A field is also depicted with flow direction arrow's-dose the flow exist? If so ,what is it a flow of?.

I put forth a theory that fit's the bill quite nicely,but most said-what rubbish. But when those same people were asked to explain what the magnetic force is,no one had an answer.
So my theory was crap although no one had a better one,or even knows what the magnetic force is. It is funny really if you stand back and have a look at what happened there-->NO,the magnetic force is not positively and negatively charge particle's-->oh ok,what is the magnetic force then?-->err,we dont know.  Lol,how funny is that.

It's all well and good to keep saying-go read the book's. But here is a fact-->books will not tell you what the magnetic force is,and the reason we havnt yet found out what the magnetic force is,is because it's not in the bloody book's-->so people give up trying to find an answer.
The answer simply isnt in the books MH,so why do we need to read books that dont have the answer we seek?.

[Pirate88179]

Well hey, now this topic is actually getting interesting and there are some real discussions going on that I hope to learn from.
This is really good stuff and I really hope it continues like this.

There are tons of stuff I do not know and I am not afraid to admit that.  The really hard thing to do is if you think you have "learned" something that turns out not to be correct, it is harder for some to discard that incorrect info and learn the correct stuff.  I think that a lot of Youtube videos are responsible for this when they are made by folks that sound like they know what they are talking about, but really do not.

Anyway, please keep the discussion going.  It is very interesting to think about what happens the instant a coil gets energized.  Then, to consider what happens when that input energy is taken away.

Thanks,

Bill

[MileHigh]

Brad:

A field is also depicted with flow direction arrow's-dose the flow exist? If so ,what is it a flow of?.

That's another classic mistake.  The arrows just show direction.  Can't an arrow just mean direction?  There is no flow.  It makes me think of a related story.  There is a crazy "white paper" floating around about some unusual transformer configuration (no surprise there) where the whole basis of the paper is about cutting magnetic flux lines.  The paper appears to discuss magnetic flux lines like they are tangible like you can count them or something.  There are no literal "lines" of magnetic flux.  It's so ridiculous you almost feel like you want to slap the guy that wrote the paper.

The old "you can't explain" argument gets very tiresome after a while.  It's asked in an accusatory tone by people that "can't explain" either.  What does pure water taste like?  Likewise, why do people obsess over the magnetic field, what about the electric field?  Note we can't literally explain both to the satisfaction of many but we can measure both with a great deal of accuracy.

It's useful to think of the magnetic field building up around a coil as a manifestation of energy.   It takes electrical energy to create the magnetic field.  You can measure it in joules per cubic centimetre if you want to - a volume energy density.  You pump electrical energy into a coil and you get a physical magnetic field around the coil.  The more energy you pump in the bigger the field gets.  It takes work to make it.  A simple analogy would be like blowing up a balloon.  The balloon represents "pressure stressed air space" just like the two fields represent magnetically or electrically stressed space.  There is real measurable mechanical force between the plates of a charged capacitor.

So, you imagine that when you energize a regular cylindrical coil it's like a balloon has been blown up with the coil in the center.  You have pressure-stressed air space representing the magnetically stressed space.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Imagine you are looking at the inflated balloon with the coil inside the balloon.  You know that the inflated balloon stores a certain number of joules.  Do you see any movement when you look at the balloon?  Or do you just notice that fact that the air inside the balloon is under tension like a compressed spring?  It's a simple analogy with limitations - who cares - the point being that a balloon stores energy without "movement."

It's simply ridiculous to look at arrows on a drawing of magnetic field lines and assume that there "must be movement."  It's ridiculous.  And to bring it full circle, don't be surprised if that misconception (you are not the only one that states this) comes from people looking at pictures in books but not reading the text in the books so they can understand what the diagrams are trying to represent.

In my opinion many people around here often fail to realize that the magnetic field is a manifestation of energy.  It takes energy to make a magnetic field and likewise energy is given up when a magnetic field goes away.   When you think like that, when you really think about it and apply it to transformers, as an example, you should come to the realization that all "special" or "unusual" or "crazy" transformer configurations that supposedly contain some "secret sauce" are bullshit.  (I am pretty sure you realize this, the comments are directed at all).  There is just no hope in hell that any unusual transformer configuration will do anything beyond input, store, and output energy, period.  It will all be straight and normal and anyone that claims that they have a "special secret sauce" transformer configuration can be refuted on the bench by making some straightforward measurements.  TK may be in a position to challenge all kinds of "secret sauce" with his new DSO, we shall see.

MileHigh