Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[itsu]

Hi woopy,

please be aware that the input current could be NO sine wave anymore and therefor the sine wave crest factor is not the 1.414 that your clamp meter expect.
See this webside:  http://www.programmablepower.com/blog/what-is-crest-factor-and-why-is-it-important/

Best is to use a csr (current sensing resistor) or current probe to view / calculate the current and compare with the voltage.

A little test with a similar setup (220V-220V (iso)transformer into a 220V-12V transformer, all toroids, loading a 6V / 2W bulb) shows this input voltage/current on the
220V-12V toroid, see screenshot.


The voltage yellow (lowered by a variac) is kind of sine wave, but the current green (using a current probe) is not.

Furthermore, you have the probes grounds connected to both the input as the output at the same time which could give problems.
I think it would be better to measure first the input, then the output to avoid groundloop problems.

Nice demo,   regards Itsu

[woopy]

Hi itsu

Thank's very much for your input

I have checked the current trace with a CSR  (1 ohm and also 0.1 ohm) on both side input and output. The current trace is a nice sine wave as per the voltage BUT

The RMS current is much higher on both side too. So the input is about 65 mv =ma and no more 40 ma as per my clamp meter, and the output current is about 433 mv= ma and no more 365 mA

So the efficiency drop to about 80 % , so nothing to see here, and i wonder why  the true RMS clamp meter ( a very expensive one) shows so wrong measurement because i doubt that this is the scope which is wrong. I checked the clamp meter  battery and it is OK.

I have rechecked with a digital ampmeter (no clamp) and it also shows as the scope higher mA draw.

Youp another time big problems with those  measurements, and i wonder if Wistiti has the same issue with his clamp meter ??

On youtube  Gotuluc says that he will  also replicate the Wistiti's experiment, i will wait for his results and eventually  i will suppress my video because missleading.

I will check if i made a mistake with the bucking coils (wrong winding eventually ?)

OK anyway thank's for sharing your great experience in the measurement.

Laurent

[citfta]

I used clamp meters for many years in industry.  They are not good for accuracy because of the loose coupling between the wire and the clamp.  They are only good for a close approximation which is good enough if you want to know if a motor is being seriously overloaded or a circuit is not drawing any current when it should be.  For the most accurate use of a clamp meter the wire needs to be right in the center of the  clamp and the clamp needs to be very close to perpendicular to the wire.  Laying the clamp meter down so the wire is close to parallel to the clamp will throw off the accuracy.  They certainly have their place in industry but are not good for accurate circuit analysis.

Carroll

[hyiq]

Hi Chris and all

As i had a toroidal transformer at disposal, i decided to replicate Wistiti's experiment

Good and encouraging results so far. I hope there is no mistake in the measurement, but i try to be very carefull when we get such efficiency. Of course feel free to correct me if you notice some error.

https://youtu.be/Z3RQkQEv59k

Will reread this thread to better understand what is going on here. But not so much time at the present.

Hope this helps

Thank's to all of you for your work

Laurent


Edit: please read itsu's comment and my answer (next 2 posts). It is very likely that the results on the video is erroneous due to a faulty clamp meter.

Hey Woopy - Nice Replication! Thank you for sharing!

About the re-reading the thread, its a massive mess of posts, we might be better to go through and start with questions and so on from here.

It is very likely that Itsu's device is saturated, thus the non sinusoidal wave form. Most here know that it takes very little power to saturate a small ferrite toroid. Itsu, it may be worth checking out a very handy page: http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/type_43_ferrite_b-h_curve.htm this way you can see where your toroid hits saturation.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

[hyiq]

Hi itsu

Thank's very much for your input

I have checked the current trace with a CSR  (1 ohm and also 0.1 ohm) on both side input and output. The current trace is a nice sine wave as per the voltage BUT

The RMS current is much higher on both side too. So the input is about 65 mv =ma and no more 40 ma as per my clamp meter, and the output current is about 433 mv= ma and no more 365 mA

So the efficiency drop to about 80 % , so nothing to see here, and i wonder why  the true RMS clamp meter ( a very expensive one) shows so wrong measurement because i doubt that this is the scope which is wrong. I checked the clamp meter  battery and it is OK.

I have rechecked with a digital ampmeter (no clamp) and it also shows as the scope higher mA draw.

Youp another time big problems with those  measurements, and i wonder if Wistiti has the same issue with his clamp meter ??

On youtube  Gotuluc says that he will  also replicate the Wistiti's experiment, i will wait for his results and eventually  i will suppress my video because missleading.

I will check if i made a mistake with the bucking coils (wrong winding eventually ?)

OK anyway thank's for sharing your great experience in the measurement.

Laurent

Woopy - don't give up, you're very close, just need to over come the Toroid Losses.

Input:
   V: 27.7 VAC
   I: 0.65 A


Output:
   V: 3.78 VAC
   I: 0.433 A


Your POC Toroid has the following estimated values:

   Resistance: 42.6153846153846 in Ohms. (Ω)
   Phase Angle: 88.6557608932097 degrees. (Φ)
   Inductive Reactance XL: 42.604 in Ohms. (Ω)
   Capacitive Reactance XC: 42.6036566066035 in Ohms. (Ω)
   Impedance (Z): 0.999724794017781+j42.604 in Ohms. (Ω)
   Inductance (L): 0.135611650854612 Henries. (H)
   Real Resistance: 0.999724794017781 in Ohms. (Ω)
   LC Network Capacitance: 7.47142174022813E-10 in Farads. (F)

If my Math is correct, then the 88.65 Degrees Phase Shift (theta) will put your input Power at: P = V x I x Cos(88.65) = 0.424194199 Watts and your Output Power at P = V x I = 3.78 x 0.433 =  1.63674 Watts Maybe you could verify the Phase Angle?

There is a few small things that can be done to get this working better. This will get your efficiency very much higher. Your Turns ratio needs to be increased. Currently you have 27.7 : 3.78 which is approximately 9:1 Turns Ratio - You want to aim for around 3-5:1 - So this means you need about 3 times more turns on your Partnered Output Coils, getting the voltage on the output to about 9 Volts.

Why are turns important? Because the turns with Current I is the Magnetic Field! B = μNL Where μ is the Relative Permeability, N is Turns and L is the Inductance. The Magnetic Field is what is doing the work. When each Magnetic Field is sufficient to start the Charge Separation Process, then more Charges can be separated. If the Magnetic Field is not sufficient, we just see a standard Transformer with standard Efficiency: 80 - 95%


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org