Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[citfta]

Chris,

You are making a big mistake.   Luc is highly qualified to verify or disprove your claims.  He is also extremely dedicated to finding the truth.  A
couple of years ago I built a circuit that I was sure was OU.  My power out was clearly greater than my power in.  Luc asked if he could try
and duplicate that circuit.  We conferred back and forth as he attempted to duplicate my efforts.  He was not able to get OU which was not
what I was expecting.  So we went over again exactly what I had and could find no faults in either his build or mine.  I then decided it had to
be a measurement error even though I was actually using inline meters to measure my current.  When I compared the input inline
meter reading with a calibrated current sensing resistor it was discovered that my inline amp meter had apparently been damaged in such a way
that it was reading much lower than the actual current.  Using another meter showed there was no OU.  Of course I was disappointed but
as least I didn't waste a lot of other peoples time trying to prove something that didn't exist.  Instead of ranting and calling Luc a lot of names
I thanked him for taking the time to help me find my error.

I have already posted why Woopy's test is not a valid test because of the use of the clamp on meter.  If you have a real test showing
actual input and output measurements that will stand up to peer review scrutiny I would like to see it.  So far I have not seen that in any of the
videos you have posted that are supposedly proving your claims.  I am NOT saying you may not have something but until we actually see
some clear and accurate measurements how can we know for sure.

If clear and real measurements prove you do not have something will that be enough to convince you or will you still insist everyone else is
wrong and only you are right?

Respectfully,
Carroll

[Zephir]

The construction and demonstration of self-looped i.e. self-powered circuit should always follow the claims of overunity in electromagnetic circuits. The measurement devices can be fooled in numerous way, but the electrons itself not.

[tinman]

Well Chris-no cigar here-i found the error--> 2 incorrect value CVRs is all it took to throw the readings out.
At these small power values, .2 of an ohm can make a big difference.
So,my P/in CVR was .9 ohm's,and the P/out CVR was 1.1 ohms-well as best as my best DMM could make out. Both are banded as 1 ohm.


Brad

[itsu]

What the hell has happened here, how has this become a pissing contest overnight?

I normally do not engage in such a contest and won't do now, but i would like to state that i
highly respect guys like Chet K (Ramset) and GotoLuc and many others here for what they have done
all this time and are doing still.

Verpies is in a league on its own and i consider him (like Chet and Luc) a friend who tirelessly
will give out his vast knowledge to rookies (knowledge wise that is) like me, whenever he can.

Thanks all for staying on topic.


Regards Itsu

[gyulasun]

Hi Chris,

Have been busy and can reflect to your post (quoted at bottom) to me only now.

When I answered my 3 objections to your measurements, in fact I had gone back to some recent posts of yours and that of Itsu's because the post with your measurements included a post from Itsu.

I found this in your post #7854: "I apologise, typically in an RLC or LC Circuit, when the Circuit goes into resonance, the Inductive Reactance (XL) will equal the Capacitive Reactance (XC). This means that neither XL or XC is dominating in the circuit, and the Phase angle will be 90 Degrees for a Resonant Circuit. See the below diagram."

And the diagram you attached was a series connected RC circuit with impedance, phasor and waveform diagrams:
overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/dlattach/attach/162511/  file name: 2_4_4_6_eng.png 

These diagrams prove what?  They prove how the phase relation between current and voltage in a series RC circuit where phase shift may indeed be near to 90 degree. And you brought this up in connection with resonant RLC or LC circuits where "phase angle will be 90 degree for a resonant circuit". 
While this is an apple and orange comparison, member Itsu also took this the same way what also 'forced' me to answer to you with my objections: he also understood the phase angle between the input current and input voltage for a RLC or LC resonant circuit as he wrote in his reply #7861:
"At resonance (6.2KHz) input current and voltage are exactly "in phase", meaning 0° as it should be in a parallel resonant circuit. Input voltage peaks and input current dips because of the maximum impedance at resonance."
This clearly indicates Itsu did not mean phase shift specifically in the inductor nor specifically in the capacitor current versus the voltage.
(Here I do not mention that Itsu probably did not notice you had referred to the impedance and phasor diagrams of a series RC circuit, for he wrote also in #7861: "i however still am confused as i think you seem to mix up a series LC (see your impedance/Phasor diagram) and a parallel LC (which we have here)."  but this oversight from him is not the point here at all now.)

AND THEN came your post #7865 in which you included your measurements on the phase shift between coil current and input voltage in a parallel LC and phase shift between coil current and coil voltage in a series LC resonant circuit.

Chris, even Itsu was not in the same page with you in these measurements IF you all the time meant the phase shifts mentioned in bold in my previous sentence.
BUT then your sentence I quoted first above from your post 7854 was the first misleading statement (obviously unintentional though) as to how or what you had really meant. You spoke about resonant RLC or LC circuits in which inductive and capacitive reactances are equal (this is correct  at resonance of course) but then you mention the "Phase angle will be 90 degree for a resonant circuit": not clear at all how you meant this then.

So what you answered to my objections: "We are talking specifically about the Voltage Current Relationship inside a RLC or LC Circuit, and not the Power into the Circuit?"  i.e. you meant voltage-current relationship INSIDE a RLC or LC circuit, then it is this #7869 in which you CLEARLY mentioned it, there is no any other posts of yours which defined this 'INSIDE' clearly.

Now please remove your point 4 from your post 7877 where you mention me (with even wrong spelling, sic) as somebody against your honest activity on this forum.  I am against NOBODY's activity or good will here (or whatever), I try to help when I have the time, the mood or am well familiar with something etc. even if somebody is not willing to show his work...

Gyula

Is this really a "Problem"? Or just a lack of observation? My scope does show: "141.8Hz" so, on one diagram, I perhaps should not have rushed and corrected the actual Frequency on that Circuit.

I think you have missed the entire Conversation? We are talking specifically about the Voltage Current Relationship inside a RLC or LC Circuit, and not the Power into the Circuit?

I am not sure you understand our current topic? Please read back on the past posts to see what we are actually showing. We specifically are not showing the Input Power, we have covered this already. We are showing the Phase relationships Inside the LC Circuit Only!

Sorry, I am repeating my self, to try in all honesty to make sure I am being Clear!


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