Open Systems

[LibreEnergia]

I ask once again that you read the thread from the star and study the system setup. The system is in an insulated room, and when opperating temperatures are reached there is no temperature difference between the gas inside the cylinder and the external enviromental temperature-the heat simply cannot dissipate-Elvis simply can not leave the building-the door is locked-the system is an enclosed system, and the energy remains within that system. It comes down to this-do you want to look at what is really taking place within my system, or do you want to play with a cylinder that is open to the enviroment where its internal energy can be transfered to. Remember MH, energy can be transfered or transformed-not just up and disappear.

The problem is that you still appear to believe that using work to compress something does not raise the amount of thermal energy or 'heat' it contains. It does and until you understand why you'll continue to believe in this fantasy device

[profitis]

Libre :'Unless of course you believe the phase change event can also
exhibit net energy gain around a full cycle , then it's game over
for this device.'

Me: at low current density/ electrode areas your going to get this if T lowers E greater than P increases E or even if it just cancells it and E remains unchanged during this cycle

[tinman]

I just don't see the point in using electrolysis when another substance undergoing a phase change would be more efficient. It is just unnecessary complication.  If it designed to produce heat as you say then the co-efficient of performance would be higher using something else.

The cop with this system is 1. This i have been through with Mark-energy is conserved-->are you going to argue with that?.

[tinman]

While I greatly prefer to work in SI units, scaling is just nuisance arithmetic.  In 142 he seemed to be saying he thinks it is necessary to integrate to find total force.  That would make sense if one were trying to find stress on a joint.

Do you know of any pressure vessels that have no joint?.

[tinman]

Thermal energy is the sum of all the kinetic energies of all the particles in the system. When that energy flows between two bodies we call it heat transfer. It is distinct from temperature which is a measure of the potential for heat to flow from one body to another.

Since the particles have been accelerated the internal thermal energy increases as it is simply the sum of the kinetic energies of all the particles. Internal energy is increased. The ability is transfer heat is increased.

I don't think I have ever used psi to measure pressure

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Well here in Australia it is the most commonly used messure of force. There are times when the term force is used,but force is pressure-so either is ok.

but your comment shows extraordinary ignorance for someone who claims to be an engineer.

why/-because it dosnt agree with what you believe or the units you may use where ever you are. America still uses inches and feet,while in australia we use mm and meters-dose that make us all ignorant,or are we just a little ahead of the American's?

Of course, the same process occurs at any speed of compression, but it useful to imagine a piston advancing into a gas at high speed to get an intuitive feel for why the velocity and hence 'heat' of those particles increases.

You think that faster moving particals create more heat,where as i think more heat causes the particles to move faster. What happens to the particles in the air when the air is warmed by the sun-->the particles move faster. Now there was no compressing of the particles there,and yet they sped up.